Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754956AbXJKJdy (ORCPT ); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 05:33:54 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751371AbXJKJdq (ORCPT ); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 05:33:46 -0400 Received: from nijmegen.renzel.net ([195.243.213.130]:59049 "EHLO nijmegen.renzel.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750930AbXJKJdp (ORCPT ); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 05:33:45 -0400 Message-ID: <470DEDDF.6040001@linuxtv.org> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:33:19 +0200 From: Marcel Siegert User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Markus Rechberger CC: Aurelien Jarno , video4linux-list@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Mauro Carvalho Chehab , linux-dvb-maintainer@linuxtv.org, Andrew Morton , Linus Torvalds Subject: Re: [v4l-dvb-maintainer] [GIT PATCHES] V4L/DVB changes for 2.6.24 References: <1192053794.15601.47.camel@gaivota> <470DBDC7.8000304@aurel32.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2924 Lines: 72 Markus Rechberger schrieb: > On 10/11/07, Aurelien Jarno wrote: >> Markus Rechberger a ?crit : >>> On 10/11/07, Linus Torvalds wrote: >>>> As such, the old and decrepit em28xx driver seems more useful to people, >>>> since at least it supports the limited set of hardware on its own. >>> it does not since it's broken and feature limited. On the other side >> I have a device which works perfectly with it if you add the vendor and >> product ID to the list. I don't really call that broken. And it doesn't >> need a firmware. >> > > Aurelien, > > the device you're using is around 2 years old. You're one of the lucky > ones, I have tonns of support mails in my mail account from people who > own almost a similar device but with different videodecoders which are > not fully supported in the kernel or which worked and got broken > during the time. > It took me around 4 hours to debug such an issue last years remotly > with an enduser (which includes that noone cared to ask me if I'm fine > with such an update, neither did someone ask people who own such > devices that they should test the changes). > Please also take other devices and upcoming devices into account, > since i'm willing to spend that time and since I'm in contact with > various companies who provide several components of those devices. > >> Please think that a lot of persons do not have enough knowledge to >> compile out of tree drivers, and that a lot more do not even know about >> this out of tree driver. >> > > this is what all is about, the project does not depend on certain > broken drivers anymore. And people who initially disagreed without > having any solution nor contributed any code can continue to play > their game without having an impact on that driver anymore. > > Markus markus, its the same old story you are telling over and over again. of course there might be a huge community builded up the last month @ mcentral, of course your driver supports newer devices, BUT the same old story is - and you always miss that part we discussed a lot on your changes and also ACCEPTED those for merging, if you would have changed your UNNECCESSARY touching of dvb-core. its proven that things could work without that nacked change to dvb core. but, you decided to stop discussion then, and went away to perform your own tree/userspace thing. as linus and andrew stated within this thread they think they will not merge your code like it is cause of different reasons, i am wondering a bit whats your next step is. regards marcel ps. as linus tells from time to time "It's not just black and white - there's also grey" - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/