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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/3] mm: Don't pin ZERO_PAGE in pin_user_pages()
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On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 02:55:35PM +0100, David Howells wrote:
> David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes, it would be clearer if we would be using "pinned" now only for FOLL_PIN
>
> You're not likely to get that.  "To pin" is too useful a verb that gets used
> in other contexts too.  For that reason, I think FOLL_PIN was a poor choice of
> name:-/.  I guess the English language has got somewhat overloaded.  Maybe
> FOLL_PEG? ;-)
>

Might I suggest FOLL_FOLL? As we are essentially 'following' the page once
'pinned'. We could differentiate between what is currently FOLL_GET and
FOLL_PIN by using FOLL_FOLL and FOLL_FOLL_FOLL.

Patch series coming soon...

> > and everything else is simply "taking a temporary reference on the page".
>
> Excluding refs taken with pins, many refs are more permanent than pins as, so
> far as I'm aware, pins only last for the duration of an I/O operation.
>
> > >> "Note that the refcount of any zero_pages returned among the pinned pages will
> > >> not be incremented, and unpin_user_page() will similarly not decrement it."
> > > That's not really right (although it happens to be true), because we're
> > > talking primarily about the pin counter, not the refcount - and they may be
> > > separate.
> >
> > In any case (FOLL_PIN/FOLL_GET) you increment/decrement the refcount. If we
> > have a separate pincount, we increment/decrement the refcount by 1 when
> > (un)pinning.
>
> FOLL_GET isn't relevant here - only FOLL_PIN.  Yes, as it happens, we count a
> ref if we count a pin, but that's kind of irrelevant; what matters is that the
> effect must be undone with un-PUP.
>
> It would be nice not to get a ref on the zero page in FOLL_GET, but I don't
> think we can do that yet.  Too many places assume that GUP will give them a
> ref they can release later via ordinary methods.
>
> David
>