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Date:   Fri, 2 Jun 2023 09:06:02 +1000
From:   Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To:     Qi Zheng <qi.zheng@linux.dev>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/8] xfs: introduce xfs_fs_destroy_super()
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On Thu, Jun 01, 2023 at 04:43:32PM +0800, Qi Zheng wrote:
> Hi Dave,
> On 2023/6/1 07:48, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 09:57:40AM +0000, Qi Zheng wrote:
> > > From: Kirill Tkhai <tkhai@ya.ru>
> > I don't really like this ->destroy_super() callback, especially as
> > it's completely undocumented as to why it exists. This is purely a
> > work-around for handling extended filesystem superblock shrinker
> > functionality, yet there's nothing that tells the reader this.
> > 
> > It also seems to imply that the superblock shrinker can continue to
> > run after the existing unregister_shrinker() call before ->kill_sb()
> > is called. This violates the assumption made in filesystems that the
> > superblock shrinkers have been stopped and will never run again
> > before ->kill_sb() is called. Hence ->kill_sb() implementations
> > assume there is nothing else accessing filesystem owned structures
> > and it can tear down internal structures safely.
> > 
> > Realistically, the days of XFS using this superblock shrinker
> > extension are numbered. We've got a lot of the infrastructure we
> > need in place to get rid of the background inode reclaim
> > infrastructure that requires this shrinker extension, and it's on my
> > list of things that need to be addressed in the near future.
> > 
> > In fact, now that I look at it, I think the shmem usage of this
> > superblock shrinker interface is broken - it returns SHRINK_STOP to
> > ->free_cached_objects(), but the only valid return value is the
> > number of objects freed (i.e. 0 is nothing freed). These special
> > superblock extension interfaces do not work like a normal
> > shrinker....
> > 
> > Hence I think the shmem usage should be replaced with an separate
> > internal shmem shrinker that is managed by the filesystem itself
> > (similar to how XFS has multiple internal shrinkers).
> > 
> > At this point, then the only user of this interface is (again) XFS.
> > Given this, adding new VFS methods for a single filesystem
> > for functionality that is planned to be removed is probably not the
> > best approach to solving the problem.
> 
> Thanks for such a detailed analysis. Kirill Tkhai just proposeed a
> new method[1], I cc'd you on the email.

I;ve just read through that thread, and I've looked at the original
patch that caused the regression.

I'm a bit annoyed right now. Nobody cc'd me on the original patches
nor were any of the subsystems that use shrinkers were cc'd on the
patches that changed shrinker behaviour. I only find out about this
because someone tries to fix something they broke by *breaking more
stuff* and not even realising how broken what they are proposing is.

The previous code was not broken and it provided specific guarantees
to subsystems via unregister_shrinker(). From the above discussion,
it appears that the original authors of these changes either did not
know about or did not understand them, so that casts doubt in my
mind about the attempted solution and all the proposed fixes for it.

I don't have the time right now unravel this mess and fully
understand the original problem, changes or the band-aids that are
being thrown around. We are also getting quite late in the cycle to
be doing major surgery to critical infrastructure, especially as it
gives so little time to review regression test whatever new solution
is proposed.

Given this appears to be a change introduced in 6.4-rc1, I think the
right thing to do is to revert the change rather than make things
worse by trying to shove some "quick fix" into the kernel to address
it.

Andrew, could you please sort out a series to revert this shrinker
infrastructure change and all the dependent hacks that have been
added to try to fix it so far?

-Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com