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From:   "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To:     Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc:     Stefano Garzarella <sgarzare@redhat.com>,
        Shannon Nelson <shannon.nelson@amd.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] vhost-vdpa: filter VIRTIO_F_RING_PACKED feature
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On Fri, Jun 09, 2023 at 10:16:50AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 10:23 PM Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 05:29:58PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 5:21 PM Stefano Garzarella <sgarzare@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 05:00:00PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > > >On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 4:00 PM Stefano Garzarella <sgarzare@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 03:46:00PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> [...]
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >> > > > > I have a question though, what if down the road there
> > > > >> >> > > > > is a new feature that needs more changes? It will be
> > > > >> >> > > > > broken too just like PACKED no?
> > > > >> >> > > > > Shouldn't vdpa have an allowlist of features it knows how
> > > > >> >> > > > > to support?
> > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > It looks like we had it, but we took it out (by the way, we were
> > > > >> >> > > > enabling packed even though we didn't support it):
> > > > >> >> > > > https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=6234f80574d7569444d8718355fa2838e92b158b
> > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > The only problem I see is that for each new feature we have to modify
> > > > >> >> > > > the kernel.
> > > > >> >> > > > Could we have new features that don't require handling by vhost-vdpa?
> > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > Thanks,
> > > > >> >> > > > Stefano
> > > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> >> > > Jason what do you say to reverting this?
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > I may miss something but I don't see any problem with vDPA core.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > It's the duty of the parents to advertise the features it has. For example,
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > 1) If some kernel version that is packed is not supported via
> > > > >> >> > set_vq_state, parents should not advertise PACKED features in this
> > > > >> >> > case.
> > > > >> >> > 2) If the kernel has support packed set_vq_state(), but it's emulated
> > > > >> >> > cvq doesn't support, parents should not advertise PACKED as well
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > If a parent violates the above 2, it looks like a bug of the parents.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > Thanks
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Yes but what about vhost_vdpa? Talking about that not the core.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Not sure it's a good idea to workaround parent bugs via vhost-vDPA.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Sorry, I'm getting lost...
> > > > >> We were talking about the fact that vhost-vdpa doesn't handle
> > > > >> SET_VRING_BASE/GET_VRING_BASE ioctls well for packed virtqueue before
> > > > >> that series [1], no?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The parents seem okay, but maybe I missed a few things.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/virtualization/20230424225031.18947-1-shannon.nelson@amd.com/
> > > > >
> > > > >Yes, more below.
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >> Should that not have a whitelist of features
> > > > >> >> since it interprets ioctls differently depending on this?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >If there's a bug, it might only matter the following setup:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >SET_VRING_BASE/GET_VRING_BASE + VDUSE.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >This seems to be broken since VDUSE was introduced. If we really want
> > > > >> >to backport something, it could be a fix to filter out PACKED in
> > > > >> >VDUSE?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> mmm it doesn't seem to be a problem in VDUSE, but in vhost-vdpa.
> > > > >> I think VDUSE works fine with packed virtqueue using virtio-vdpa
> > > > >> (I haven't tried), so why should we filter PACKED in VDUSE?
> > > > >
> > > > >I don't think we need any filtering since:
> > > > >
> > > > >PACKED features has been advertised to userspace via uAPI since
> > > > >6234f80574d7569444d8718355fa2838e92b158b. Once we relax in uAPI, it
> > > > >would be very hard to restrict it again. For the userspace that tries
> > > > >to negotiate PACKED:
> > > > >
> > > > >1) if it doesn't use SET_VRING_BASE/GET_VRING_BASE, everything works well
> > > > >2) if it uses SET_VRING_BASE/GET_VRING_BASE. it might fail or break silently
> > > > >
> > > > >If we backport the fixes to -stable, we may break the application at
> > > > >least in the case 1).
> > > >
> > > > Okay, I see now, thanks for the details!
> > > >
> > > > Maybe instead of "break silently", we can return an explicit error for
> > > > SET_VRING_BASE/GET_VRING_BASE in stable branches.
> > > > But if there are not many cases, we can leave it like that.
> > >
> > > A second thought, if we need to do something for stable. is it better
> > > if we just backport Shannon's series to stable?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I was just concerned about how does the user space understand that it
> > > > can use SET_VRING_BASE/GET_VRING_BASE for PACKED virtqueues in a given
> > > > kernel or not.
> > >
> > > My understanding is that if packed is advertised, the application
> > > should assume SET/GET_VRING_BASE work.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> >
> >
> > Let me ask you this. This is a bugfix yes?
> 
> Not sure since it may break existing user space applications which
> make it hard to be backported to -stable.

Sorry, I was actually referring to 
    vhost_vdpa: support PACKED when setting-getting vring_base
and friends.

These are bugfixes yes?  What is the appropriate Fixes tag?


> Before the fix, PACKED might work if SET/GET_VRING_BASE is not used.
> After the fix, PACKED won't work at all.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> What is the appropriate Fixes
> > tag?
> >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Stefano
> > > >
> >