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[2620:137:e000::1:20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 204-20020a6301d5000000b005578c6a7645si11442900pgb.69.2023.06.29.15.41.17; Thu, 29 Jun 2023 15:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) client-ip=2620:137:e000::1:20; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@intel.com header.s=Intel header.b=IMEAssfj; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=intel.com Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S233429AbjF2WkE (ORCPT + 99 others); Thu, 29 Jun 2023 18:40:04 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:50454 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S232562AbjF2Wj4 (ORCPT ); Thu, 29 Jun 2023 18:39:56 -0400 Received: from mga12.intel.com (mga12.intel.com [192.55.52.136]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1E0A359E for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2023 15:39:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=intel.com; i=@intel.com; q=dns/txt; s=Intel; t=1688078381; x=1719614381; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=Ur0LSLrGMzGqTlgNMlPlfCzPuJql2NDXTGyIc4TyJy4=; b=IMEAssfjZHtYrTEV5B0zkm5NeDE8HxnxCLF7T7tfQhZVnnFJC90Zp9kG DqDDeog4DHssgC3P2M1NUbpfpWyONcAQzjKb66WZr8OBYSFJ+AzGIuyCF +XjpLnWppy/O0iCjuzNWHb5AHldtM7QzlHwUaiscQnoxP7b/htSrXXAOr Rqq/tD+VBsMVXBNmTV7N8+c0jSwFZ5AetbU3uMg7H96WzmCFDJXhoZCxW NJyrsnIGLh+7qcX1KgV/kAFqxDYXbWxnM/yjMcnGR/b5Govefhp5s2Ntk ASb8BcTKCmA4yt03m2MAYYzwCbm/0LQltII8GUPr9c2oiQHeRgQ/XRrhI Q==; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="6600,9927,10756"; a="341834050" X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="6.01,169,1684825200"; d="scan'208";a="341834050" Received: from fmsmga003.fm.intel.com ([10.253.24.29]) by fmsmga106.fm.intel.com with ESMTP/TLS/ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 29 Jun 2023 15:39:40 -0700 X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="6600,9927,10756"; a="807520478" X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="6.01,169,1684825200"; d="scan'208";a="807520478" Received: from agluck-desk3.sc.intel.com (HELO agluck-desk3) ([172.25.222.74]) by fmsmga003-auth.fm.intel.com with ESMTP/TLS/ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 29 Jun 2023 15:39:40 -0700 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2023 15:39:39 -0700 From: Tony Luck To: Peter Zijlstra Cc: "kan.liang@linux.intel.com" , "mingo@redhat.com" , "acme@kernel.org" , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , "mark.rutland@arm.com" , "alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com" , "jolsa@kernel.org" , "namhyung@kernel.org" , "irogers@google.com" , "Hunter, Adrian" , "ak@linux.intel.com" , "Eranian, Stephane" , "alexey.v.bayduraev@linux.intel.com" , "Zhang, Tinghao" Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 1/6] perf/x86/intel: Add Grand Ridge and Sierra Forest Message-ID: References: <20230522113040.2329924-1-kan.liang@linux.intel.com> <20230522202659.GC3334667@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20230608072420.GB998233@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_HIGH, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_NONE,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on lindbergh.monkeyblade.net Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 04:20:22PM +0000, Luck, Tony wrote: > > Then I'm hoping their take-away is that random gibberish names don't > > help anybody. The whole Intel naming scheme is impenetrable crap. > > > > +#define INTEL_FAM6_ATOM_CRESTMONT_X 0xAF /* Sierra Forest */ > > > +#define INTEL_FAM6_ATOM_CRESTMONT 0xB6 /* Grand Ridge */ > > This just adds another layer of confusion. Sure, these two models are based > on the same core. But giving the illusion that they are somehow the same will > lead to tears before bedtime: > > 1) They each took a snapshot of that core design on different dates, so there > are logic differences. > 2) Feature fuses will be different > 3) Microcode will be different > 4) BIOS will be different > 5) "uncore" is different, so anything implemented outside of the core > will be different. This thread stalled. But the internal conversation continued. There seems a strong argument that enough things changed when Xeon-izing the core to go into Sierra Forest that using Crestmont will cause confusion in more places than it helps. There seem to be some internal folks using an entirely different name for this core (which I won't repeat here, but some of the usual external sites have mentions of this other name). Can we just keep: #define INTEL_FAM6_SIERRAFOREST_X 0xAF and move on to more interesting things? -Tony