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[2620:137:e000::1:20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id k4-20020a17090627c400b00986b1c0b4d2si4038067ejc.595.2023.07.08.08.20.11; Sat, 08 Jul 2023 08:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) client-ip=2620:137:e000::1:20; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=fail header.i=@mit.edu header.s=outgoing header.b=b9gouVI8; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=mit.edu Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S230461AbjGHPDm (ORCPT + 99 others); Sat, 8 Jul 2023 11:03:42 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:53940 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S230040AbjGHPDk (ORCPT ); Sat, 8 Jul 2023 11:03:40 -0400 Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5791170F for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2023 08:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cwcc.thunk.org (pool-108-20-43-41.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [108.20.43.41]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id 368F2oDH012499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 8 Jul 2023 11:02:50 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mit.edu; s=outgoing; t=1688828573; bh=s/ufTIvKew3KioKNVyg2UQzBrfALqHUfjES5Kq9/AZI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=b9gouVI84+rzgMfB1n/SAVxyHOS4azQtXTf1FGYOj4HaXIOk4+LD2xqQyF3BytTUi kWlrn8Az+nlm6mfLjKCT11WsVZUmKAUp5PKALZalzCWib6Y5ugymFoIpUX7VwBBmrb 5eshRO9DFgc36A0pWpQyoBYNR1WlJG/JKEIqfaIaOCQTOrX6rUAn4dxkTtSslFpLNO oUSkLXeitgD8lMy3p5sZ2y20ljh9URyckAwlZCg0kNwiHVqIfx51f4sNFstVX2AqhS QDUE6rHWkKceQkQADBYmgdxhoXAj1eAjoFceBv52RIMAWmQa7yGhJzcgxE8Ci7c5wh DoTFSaG5MakSg== Received: by cwcc.thunk.org (Postfix, from userid 15806) id E5DCA15C027F; Sat, 8 Jul 2023 11:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 11:02:49 -0400 From: "Theodore Ts'o" To: Kent Overstreet Cc: Matthew Wilcox , James Bottomley , Christian Brauner , "Darrick J. Wong" , Josef Bacik , torvalds@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-bcachefs@vger.kernel.org, dchinner@redhat.com, sandeen@redhat.com, bfoster@redhat.com, jack@suse.cz, andreas.gruenbacher@gmail.com, peterz@infradead.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, dhowells@redhat.com Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] bcachefs Message-ID: <20230708150249.GO1178919@mit.edu> References: <20230626214656.hcp4puionmtoloat@moria.home.lan> <20230706155602.mnhsylo3pnief2of@moria.home.lan> <20230706164055.GA2306489@perftesting> <20230706173819.36c67pf42ba4gmv4@moria.home.lan> <20230706211914.GB11476@frogsfrogsfrogs> <20230707-badeverbot-gekettet-19ce3c238dac@brauner> <20230707091810.bamrvzcif7ncng46@moria.home.lan> <30661670c55601ff475f2f0698c2be2958e45c38.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20230708043136.xj4u7mhklpblomqd@moria.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20230708043136.xj4u7mhklpblomqd@moria.home.lan> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_INVALID, DKIM_SIGNED,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_NONE, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on lindbergh.monkeyblade.net Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sat, Jul 08, 2023 at 12:31:36AM -0400, Kent Overstreet wrote: > > I've long thought a more useful CoC would start with "always try to > continue the technical conversation in good faith, always try to build > off of what other people are saying; don't shut people down". Kent, with all due respect, do you not always follow your suggested formulation that you've stated above. That is to say, you do not always assume that your conversational partner is trying to raise objections in good faith. You also want to assume that you are the smartest person in the room, and if they object, they are Obviously Wrong. As a result, it's not pleasant to have a technical conversation with you, and as others have said, when someone like Christian Brauner has decided that it's too frustating to continue with the thread, given my observations of his past interaction with a wide variety of people, including some folks who have been traditionally regarded as "difficult to work with", it's a real red flag. Regards, - Ted