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From: Kent Overstreet To: Theodore Ts'o Cc: Matthew Wilcox , James Bottomley , Christian Brauner , "Darrick J. Wong" , Josef Bacik , torvalds@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-bcachefs@vger.kernel.org, dchinner@redhat.com, sandeen@redhat.com, bfoster@redhat.com, jack@suse.cz, andreas.gruenbacher@gmail.com, peterz@infradead.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, dhowells@redhat.com Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] bcachefs Message-ID: <20230708152314.lcpepguue3imrt3i@moria.home.lan> References: <20230706155602.mnhsylo3pnief2of@moria.home.lan> <20230706164055.GA2306489@perftesting> <20230706173819.36c67pf42ba4gmv4@moria.home.lan> <20230706211914.GB11476@frogsfrogsfrogs> <20230707-badeverbot-gekettet-19ce3c238dac@brauner> <20230707091810.bamrvzcif7ncng46@moria.home.lan> <30661670c55601ff475f2f0698c2be2958e45c38.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20230708043136.xj4u7mhklpblomqd@moria.home.lan> <20230708150249.GO1178919@mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20230708150249.GO1178919@mit.edu> X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_OUT X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on lindbergh.monkeyblade.net Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sat, Jul 08, 2023 at 11:02:49AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Sat, Jul 08, 2023 at 12:31:36AM -0400, Kent Overstreet wrote: > > > > I've long thought a more useful CoC would start with "always try to > > continue the technical conversation in good faith, always try to build > > off of what other people are saying; don't shut people down". > > Kent, with all due respect, do you not always follow your suggested > formulation that you've stated above. That is to say, you do not > always assume that your conversational partner is trying to raise > objections in good faith. Ted, how do you have a technical conversation with someone who refuses to say anything concrete, even when you ask them to elaborate on their objections, and instead just repeats the same vague non-answers? > You also want to assume that you are the smartest person in the room, > and if they object, they are Obviously Wrong. Ok, now you're really reaching. Anyone who's actually worked with me can tell you I am quick to consider other people's point of view and quick to admit when I'm wrong. All I ask is the same courtesy.