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[2620:137:e000::1:20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id c1-20020a170902d48100b001b8a70d11e4si7790668plg.529.2023.07.14.11.35.49; Fri, 14 Jul 2023 11:36:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) client-ip=2620:137:e000::1:20; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@kernel.org header.s=k20201202 header.b=Ao86t8MZ; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S236651AbjGNSBz (ORCPT + 99 others); Fri, 14 Jul 2023 14:01:55 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:48484 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S236116AbjGNSBu (ORCPT ); Fri, 14 Jul 2023 14:01:50 -0400 Received: from dfw.source.kernel.org (dfw.source.kernel.org [IPv6:2604:1380:4641:c500::1]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D3B43A81; Fri, 14 Jul 2023 11:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.kernel.org (relay.kernel.org [52.25.139.140]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dfw.source.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9DD0761DB5; Fri, 14 Jul 2023 17:59:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CD982C433C7; Fri, 14 Jul 2023 17:59:11 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1689357553; bh=s1el2zzcSXw96fILtVV/pU2QXloiost9bfy5t32Iex0=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=Ao86t8MZvEKBX/XgxW1G3+uLkvz2sj3PdGXfpGTEa/GrPIW3mGqzpkGOF7eCF1vWx 0VimLdhjIb3Me1NyirFerV8HXvZVoA1tFC1CrsJF7VEcHjDEhwLj3Kvvfr0eOR2Dqi oTY15VDUOV37uBg3EcrTug8xNql0jrwRjvrqCIhqRV9kt2yc5HAnU9df6e3vu3IlYK BYQvqiVuYABgO++OH8ym20BY/AxIXPNmHLFalcOZtZqnX0DgNUljn9UIIWdL/7Ohmv OnGiB8DHRlzrrmRIGSZSortxasXbis/ID18ere56edFKZOSUqj78OOiXbXLMGmPZEI zH1eJC4Ns8nPA== Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2023 18:59:08 +0100 From: Mark Brown To: Jakub Kicinski Cc: Thorsten Leemhuis , corbet@lwn.net, workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [PATCH docs] docs: maintainer: document expectations of small time maintainers Message-ID: References: <20230713223432.1501133-1-kuba@kernel.org> <20230714102218.687ee2ea@kernel.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="KVi/BTK8+Otxl5a/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20230714102218.687ee2ea@kernel.org> X-Cookie: Preserve the old, but know the new. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_HIGH, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on lindbergh.monkeyblade.net Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --KVi/BTK8+Otxl5a/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 10:22:18AM -0700, Jakub Kicinski wrote: > On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 08:24:38 +0200 Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > Also: It's totally normal that commercial vendor contribute basic > > drivers with known problems and missing features (some of which will > > never be implemented). The latter will be considered a "bug" for quite a > > few users that read this. Those suddenly thus might becomes something > > they now "must" fix, which leads to questions: how fast? just in > > mainline, or in stable, too? > If we try to fend off anyone who doesn't understand common meaning=20 > of words the document will be very long and painful to read. That's true, but "bug" is one of those things where there is a frequent disconnect on definitions, and when coupled with the must respond bit I can see things going wrong. --KVi/BTK8+Otxl5a/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCgAdFiEEreZoqmdXGLWf4p/qJNaLcl1Uh9AFAmSxjOsACgkQJNaLcl1U h9ANGQf/Uj59jbEqoKoJTQol5fPW0lVUi1Wk7isseKJDDsElbkiIwrx3FQx3sGjX T2OjnR9KfvcAENLz7nrC0amKje5ZclDI+70Jz2FRfdVRwVVWh937vG/JnS2Ciy1l avneg5pyeMDLJaaF8X9V6IDRv4HKZII1YyEOAM9K6o42ZJVuTIMs+VQqowgy1tJN vGDOCS4GZNmPCSHVGtdfLulsH3D9NilRMXunGFzGdudvDacm+t5b14V/n0tSD0/D 62Jf/C5LTIo5SadXVWakl80KYGnG+AmUHwYa4JHWktw1VGY33ywrhFsa/oRwva/S ZYsFRsXYI3ly2G3UiN1JpuB6MzAXMg== =7c+u -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --KVi/BTK8+Otxl5a/--