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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/14] ceph: support idmapped mounts
To:     Aleksandr Mikhalitsyn <aleksandr.mikhalitsyn@canonical.com>
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On 7/14/23 20:57, Aleksandr Mikhalitsyn wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 3:09 AM Xiubo Li <xiubli@redhat.com> wrote:
>> Sorry, not sure, why my last reply wasn't sent out.
>>
>> Do it again.
>>
>>
>> On 6/26/23 19:23, Aleksandr Mikhalitsyn wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 4:12 AM Xiubo Li<xiubli@redhat.com>  wrote:
>>>> On 6/24/23 15:11, Aleksandr Mikhalitsyn wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 3:37 AM Xiubo Li<xiubli@redhat.com>  wrote:
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     > > >
>>>>>>     > > > I thought about this too and came to the same conclusion, that
>>>>>> UID/GID
>>>>>>     > > > based
>>>>>>     > > > restriction can be applied dynamically, so detecting it on mount-time
>>>>>>     > > > helps not so much.
>>>>>>     > > >
>>>>>>     > > For this you please raise one PR to ceph first to support this, and in
>>>>>>     > > the PR we can discuss more for the MDS auth caps. And after the PR
>>>>>>     > > getting merged then in this patch series you need to check the
>>>>>>     > > corresponding option or flag to determine whether could the idmap
>>>>>>     > > mounting succeed.
>>>>>>     >
>>>>>>     > I'm sorry but I don't understand what we want to support here. Do we
>>>>>> want to
>>>>>>     > add some new ceph request that allows to check if UID/GID-based
>>>>>>     > permissions are applied for
>>>>>>     > a particular ceph client user?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IMO we should prevent user to set UID/GID-based permisions caps from
>>>>>> ceph side.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I know currently there is no way to prevent users to set MDS auth
>>>>>> caps, IMO in ceph side at least we need one flag or option to disable
>>>>>> this once users want this fs cluster sever for idmap mounts use case.
>>>>> How this should be visible from the user side? We introducing a new
>>>>> kernel client mount option,
>>>>> like "nomdscaps", then pass flag to the MDS and MDS should check that
>>>>> MDS auth permissions
>>>>> are not applied (on the mount time) and prevent them from being
>>>>> applied later while session is active. Like that?
>>>>>
>>>>> At the same time I'm thinking about protocol extension that adds 2
>>>>> additional fields for UID/GID. This will allow to correctly
>>>>> handle everything. I wanted to avoid any changes to the protocol or
>>>>> server-side things. But if we want to change MDS side,
>>>>> maybe it's better then to go this way?
>>> Hi Xiubo,
>>>
>>>> There is another way:
>>>>
>>>> For each client it will have a dedicated client auth caps, something like:
>>>>
>>>> client.foo
>>>>      key: *key*
>>>>      caps: [mds] allow r, allow rw path=/bar
>>>>      caps: [mon] allow r
>>>>      caps: [osd] allow rw tag cephfs data=cephfs_a
>>> Do we have any infrastructure to get this caps list on the client side
>>> right now?
>>> (I've taken a quick look through the code and can't find anything
>>> related to this.)
>> I am afraid there is no.
>>
>> But just after the following ceph PR gets merged it will be easy to do this:
>>
>> https://github.com/ceph/ceph/pull/48027
>>
>> This is still under testing.
>>
>>>> When mounting this client with idmap enabled, then we can just check the
>>>> above [mds] caps, if there has any UID/GID based permissions set, then
>>>> fail the mounting.
>>> understood
>>>
>>>> That means this kind client couldn't be mounted with idmap enabled.
>>>>
>>>> Also we need to make sure that once there is a mount with idmap enabled,
>>>> the corresponding client caps couldn't be append the UID/GID based
>>>> permissions. This need a patch in ceph anyway IMO.
>>> So, yeah we will need to effectively block cephx permission changes if
>>> there is a client mounted with
>>> an active idmapped mount. Sounds as something that require massive
>>> changes on the server side.
>> Maybe no need much, it should be simple IMO. But I am not 100% sure.
>>
>>> At the same time this will just block users from using idmapped mounts
>>> along with UID/GID restrictions.
>>>
>>> If you want me to change server-side anyways, isn't it better just to
>>> extend cephfs protocol to properly
>>> handle UID/GIDs with idmapped mounts? (It was originally proposed by Christian.)
>>> What we need to do here is to add a separate UID/GID fields for ceph
>>> requests those are creating a new inodes
>>> (like mknod, symlink, etc).
> Dear Xiubo,
>
> I'm sorry for delay with reply, I've missed this message accidentally.
>
>> BTW, could you explain it more ? How could this resolve the issue we are
>> discussing here ?
> This was briefly mentioned here
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20220105141023.vrrbfhti5apdvkz7@wittgenstein/#t
> by Christian. Let me describe it in detail.
>
> In the current approach we apply mount idmapping to
> head->caller_{uid,gid} fields
> to make mkdir/mknod/symlink operations set a proper inode owner
> uid/gid in according with an idmapping.

Sorry for late.

I still couldn't get how this could resolve the lookup case.

For a lookup request the caller_{uid, gid} still will be the mapped 
{uid, gid}, right ? And also the same for other non-create requests. If 
so this will be incorrect for the cephx perm checks IMO.

Thanks

- Xiubo


> This makes a problem with path-based UID/GID restriction mechanism,
> because it uses head->caller_{uid,gid} fields
> to check if UID/GID is permitted or not.
>
> So, the problem is that we have one field in ceph request for two
> different needs - to control permissions and to set inode owner.
> Christian pointed that the most saner way is to modify ceph protocol
> and add a separate field to store inode owner UID/GID,
> and only this fields should be idmapped, but head->caller_{uid,gid}
> will be untouched.
>
> With this approach, we will not affect UID/GID-based permission rules
> with an idmapped mounts at all.
>
> Kind regards,
> Alex
>
>> Thanks
>>
>> - Xiubo
>>
>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Alex
>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> - Xiubo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Alex
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Xiubo
>>>>>>