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From:   Michael Schmitz <schmitzmic@gmail.com>
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Date:   Fri, 21 Jul 2023 13:25:21 +1200
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Hi Matthew,

Am 21.07.2023 um 13:11 schrieb Matthew Wilcox:
> You've misunderstood.  Google have decided to subject the entire kernel
> (including obsolete unmaintained filesystems) to stress tests that it's
> never had before.  IOW these bugs have been there since the code was
> merged.  There's nothing to back out.  There's no API change to blame.
> It's always been buggy and it's never mattered before.
>
> It wouldn't be so bad if Google had also decided to fund people to fix
> those bugs, but no, they've decided to dump them on public mailing lists
> and berate developers into fixing them.

Dumping these reports on public mailing lists may still be OK (leaving 
aside that this invites writing code to exploit these bugs). Asking 
nicely for a fix, too.

'Berating developers' clearly oversteps the mark.

Maybe Google need to train their AI (that they're evidently training on 
kernel source, so ought to be grateful for such a nice training set) 
with a view to manners? We'd sure hate Google's input to go ignored for 
lack of civility?

(We could always reassign bugs of this sort against e.g. HFS to 
distrubtions, of course. They might have the resources to do something 
about it. Doesn't Google distribute Linux in some form or other? Is 
Android or ChromeOS susceptible to this issue? Time to find out ...)

Be that as it may - removing code that still has use, just to appease 
pushy Google staff (or AI) is just plain wrong IMO.

Cheers,

	Michael