Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753380AbXJ0FRR (ORCPT ); Sat, 27 Oct 2007 01:17:17 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751685AbXJ0FRH (ORCPT ); Sat, 27 Oct 2007 01:17:07 -0400 Received: from mailout.stusta.mhn.de ([141.84.69.5]:45815 "EHLO mailhub.stusta.mhn.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751656AbXJ0FRF (ORCPT ); Sat, 27 Oct 2007 01:17:05 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 07:17:24 +0200 From: Adrian Bunk To: "Eric W. Biederman" Cc: Andrew Morton , kir@swsoft.com, containers@lists.osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org, kir@openvz.org, Cedric Le Goater , Pavel Emelyanov , Sukadev Bhattiprolu Subject: Re: [Devel] [PATCH] pidns: Place under CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL (take 2) Message-ID: <20071027051724.GR30533@stusta.de> References: <20071027002448.GH30533@stusta.de> <20071027020408.GO30533@stusta.de> <20071026191845.fd0f75c8.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20071027040346.GQ30533@stusta.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-11) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1886 Lines: 49 On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 10:40:12PM -0600, Eric W. Biederman wrote: > Adrian Bunk writes: > > > There isn't any hard semantics behind what is marked EXPERIMENTAL and > > what not. In it's current state, we could even consider removing the > > EXPERIMENTAL option and all dependencies on EXPERIMENTAL. > > Well I do know at least some of the things that depend on experimental > are legitimate. > > I wonder if the problem is that we don't police experimental well > enough. > > > Currently CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=n would cost a distribution a three digit > > number of device drivers plus several features like e.g. NFSv4. > > I can see a distribution carefully cherry picking things, that the > have an intimate knowledge about out of experimental but it doesn't > sound right for taking things out of EXPERIMENTAL to be routine. > > I know I'm a little slow about getting around to it but when ever I > have a feature that isn't EXPERIMENTAL anymore I remove the tag. Part of the picture might be that code that was included into the kernel usually is in a state that it works at least most time for most of the people. And when you think about distributions, it's hard to imagine why a distribution should not enable more or less all EXPERIMENTAL device drivers - an EXPERIMENTAL driver is much better than no driver for this hardware at all. > Eric cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a promise," Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/