Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752502AbXJ1J0w (ORCPT ); Sun, 28 Oct 2007 05:26:52 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1750860AbXJ1J0n (ORCPT ); Sun, 28 Oct 2007 05:26:43 -0400 Received: from einhorn.in-berlin.de ([192.109.42.8]:53070 "EHLO einhorn.in-berlin.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750823AbXJ1J0l (ORCPT ); Sun, 28 Oct 2007 05:26:41 -0400 X-Envelope-From: stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de Message-ID: <4724557C.6000408@s5r6.in-berlin.de> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 10:25:16 +0100 From: Stefan Richter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.6) Gecko/20070807 SeaMonkey/1.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adrian Bunk CC: Tilman Schmidt , Greg KH , Simon Arlott , Chris Wright , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, Jan Engelhardt , Linus Torvalds , Andreas Gruenbacher , Thomas Fricaccia , Jeremy Fitzhardinge , James Morris , Crispin Cowan , Giacomo Catenazzi , Alan Cox Subject: Re: eradicating out of tree modules References: <20071023220649.5a76af82@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <55615.simon.1193226629@5ec7c279.invalid> <20071024125533.GE30533@stusta.de> <471F8AC5.9080300@simon.arlott.org.uk> <20071024223124.GI30533@stusta.de> <4721221A.1020309@imap.cc> <20071026025647.GC21408@kroah.com> <4721B77F.8070102@imap.cc> <20071026232653.GF30533@stusta.de> <47234F73.3040809@imap.cc> <20071028005555.GC23339@stusta.de> In-Reply-To: <20071028005555.GC23339@stusta.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1792 Lines: 45 Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Sat, Oct 27, 2007 at 04:47:15PM +0200, Tilman Schmidt wrote: >> There is a big difference between "not doing anything to help" >> and "actively doing something to make life difficult for". The >> former is undoubtedly legitimate. It's the latter we're >> discussing here. > > Justifying anything with code with not GPL compatible licences has zero > relevance here. > > And there's value in making life harder for such modules with > questionable legality. As an example, [...] You two are hypothesizing. - We (most of us) change APIs to improve the kernel. - We (most of us) contribute to the kernel as a program for people to run, not as a library for other projects to develop different or extended kernels? on top of it. Actually, by providing the code under GPL, full read access to the SCM for everybody, and public development mailinglists, we make life for external projects who do their own drivers and kernels as easy as these unconnected projects could wish for.? ----- ?) Even distributors of Linux kernel packages are encouraged to stay close to mainline and to feed their changes into mainline, IOW to take part in the Linux kernel project. ?) Of course if such projects chose to become part of the Linux kernel project, they would get to enjoy additional bonuses as outlined at the end of stable_api_nonsense.txt. Sure, becoming part of the project involves to cooperate, and not everybody wants or can afford to do so. -- Stefan Richter -=====-=-=== =-=- ===-- http://arcgraph.de/sr/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/