Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756012AbXJ1SjU (ORCPT ); Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:39:20 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752223AbXJ1SjH (ORCPT ); Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:39:07 -0400 Received: from outpipe-village-512-1.bc.nu ([81.2.110.250]:58722 "EHLO the-village.bc.nu" rhost-flags-OK-FAIL-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751101AbXJ1SjF (ORCPT ); Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:39:05 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:40:52 +0000 From: Alan Cox To: Matthew Wilcox Cc: "J. Bruce Fields" , Linus Torvalds , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "George G. Davis" , Andrew Morton , linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [RFC, PATCH] locks: remove posix deadlock detection Message-ID: <20071028184052.49abd092@the-village.bc.nu> In-Reply-To: <20071028182732.GK27248@parisc-linux.org> References: <20071017185157.GC3785@mvista.com> <20071018185759.GU3785@mvista.com> <20071026170750.GC13033@fieldses.org> <20071026224707.GO13033@fieldses.org> <20071028173136.GA16905@fieldses.org> <20071028174321.GB16905@fieldses.org> <20071028182732.GK27248@parisc-linux.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-redhat-linux-gnu) Organization: Red Hat UK Cyf., Amberley Place, 107-111 Peascod Street, Windsor, Berkshire, SL4 1TE, Y Deyrnas Gyfunol. Cofrestrwyd yng Nghymru a Lloegr o'r rhif cofrestru 3798903 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1643 Lines: 41 On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 12:27:32 -0600 Matthew Wilcox wrote: > On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 01:43:21PM -0400, J. Bruce Fields wrote: > > We currently attempt to return -EDEALK to blocking fcntl() file locking > > requests that would create a cycle in the graph of tasks waiting on > > locks. > > > > This is inefficient: in the general case it requires us determining > > whether we're adding a cycle to an arbitrary directed acyclic graph. > > And this calculation has to be performed while holding a lock (currently > > the BKL) that prevents that graph from changing. > > > > It has historically been a source of bugs; most recently it was noticed > > that it could loop indefinitely while holding the BKL. > > It can also return -EDEADLK spuriously. So yeah, just kill it. NAK. This is an ABI change. It was also comprehensively rejected before because - EDEADLK behaviour is ABI - EDEADLK behaviour is required by SuSv3 - We have no idea what applications may rely on this behaviour. and also SuSv3 is required by LSB See the thread http://osdir.com/ml/file-systems/2004-06/msg00017.html so we need to fix the bugs - the lock usage and the looping. At that point it merely becomes a performance concern to those who use it, which is the proper behaviour. If you want a faster non-checking one use flock(), or add another flag that is a Linux "don't check for deadlock" Alan - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/