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From:   "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To:     Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
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On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 02:03:59PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 7:38 PM Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 09:55:37AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 3:36 PM Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 11:07:40AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 3:17 PM Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 02:52:05PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 4:18 AM Maxime Coquelin
> > > > > > > <maxime.coquelin@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 7/21/23 17:10, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 04:58:04PM +0200, Maxime Coquelin wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> On 7/21/23 16:45, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 04:37:00PM +0200, Maxime Coquelin wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> On 7/20/23 23:02, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 01:26:20PM -0700, Shannon Nelson wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> On 7/20/23 1:38 AM, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Adding cond_resched() to the command waiting loop for a better
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> co-operation with the scheduler. This allows to give CPU a breath to
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> run other task(workqueue) instead of busy looping when preemption is
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> not allowed on a device whose CVQ might be slow.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> This still leaves hung processes, but at least it doesn't pin the CPU any
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> more.  Thanks.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Reviewed-by: Shannon Nelson <shannon.nelson@amd.com>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> I'd like to see a full solution
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 1- block until interrupt
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I remember in previous versions, you worried about the extra MSI
> > > > > > > vector. (Maybe I was wrong).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> Would it make sense to also have a timeout?
> > > > > > > > >>>> And when timeout expires, set FAILED bit in device status?
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> virtio spec does not set any limits on the timing of vq
> > > > > > > > >>> processing.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Indeed, but I thought the driver could decide it is too long for it.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> The issue is we keep waiting with rtnl locked, it can quickly make the
> > > > > > > > >> system unusable.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > if this is a problem we should find a way not to keep rtnl
> > > > > > > > > locked indefinitely.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any ideas on this direction? Simply dropping rtnl during the busy loop
> > > > > > > will result in a lot of races. This seems to require non-trivial
> > > > > > > changes in the networking core.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  From the tests I have done, I think it is. With OVS, a reconfiguration
> > > > > > > > is performed when the VDUSE device is added, and when a MLX5 device is
> > > > > > > > in the same bridge, it ends up doing an ioctl() that tries to take the
> > > > > > > > rtnl lock. In this configuration, it is not possible to kill OVS because
> > > > > > > > it is stuck trying to acquire rtnl lock for mlx5 that is held by virtio-
> > > > > > > > net.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yeah, basically, any RTNL users would be blocked forever.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And the infinite loop has other side effects like it blocks the freezer to work.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To summarize, there are three issues
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1) busy polling
> > > > > > > 2) breaks freezer
> > > > > > > 3) hold RTNL during the loop
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Solving 3 may help somehow for 2 e.g some pm routine e.g wireguard or
> > > > > > > even virtnet_restore() itself may try to hold the lock.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yep. So my feeling currently is, the only real fix is to actually
> > > > > > queue up the work in software.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you mean something like:
> > > > >
> > > > > rtnl_lock();
> > > > > queue up the work
> > > > > rtnl_unlock();
> > > > > return success;
> > > > >
> > > > > ?
> > > >
> > > > yes
> > >
> > > We will lose the error reporting, is it a real problem or not?
> >
> > Fundamental isn't it? Maybe we want a per-device flag for a asynch commands,
> > and vduse will set it while hardware virtio won't.
> > this way we only lose error reporting for vduse.
> 
> This problem is not VDUSE specific, DPUs/vDPA may suffer from this as
> well. This might require more thoughts.
> 
> Thanks

They really shouldn't - any NIC that takes forever to
program will create issues in the networking stack.
But if they do they can always set this flag too.

> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > It's mostly trivial to limit
> > > > > > memory consumption, vid's is the
> > > > > > only one where it would make sense to have more than
> > > > > > 1 command of a given type outstanding.
> > > > >
> > > > > And rx mode so this implies we will fail any command if the previous
> > > > > work is not finished.
> > > >
> > > > don't fail it, store it.
> > >
> > > Ok.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > > have a tree
> > > > > > or a bitmap with vids to add/remove?
> > > > >
> > > > > Probably.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 2- still handle surprise removal correctly by waking in that case
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is basically what version 1 did?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/6026e801-6fda-fee9-a69b-d06a80368621@redhat.com/t/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes - except the timeout part.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> ---
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>      drivers/net/virtio_net.c | 4 +++-
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>      1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> diff --git a/drivers/net/virtio_net.c b/drivers/net/virtio_net.c
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> index 9f3b1d6ac33d..e7533f29b219 100644
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> --- a/drivers/net/virtio_net.c
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> +++ b/drivers/net/virtio_net.c
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> @@ -2314,8 +2314,10 @@ static bool virtnet_send_command(struct virtnet_info *vi, u8 class, u8 cmd,
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>              * into the hypervisor, so the request should be handled immediately.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>              */
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>             while (!virtqueue_get_buf(vi->cvq, &tmp) &&
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> -              !virtqueue_is_broken(vi->cvq))
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> +              !virtqueue_is_broken(vi->cvq)) {
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> +               cond_resched();
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>                     cpu_relax();
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> +       }
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>             return vi->ctrl->status == VIRTIO_NET_OK;
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>      }
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> --
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> 2.39.3
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
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