Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/2] [SCSI] Asynchronous event
	notification	infrastructure
From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@SteelEye.com>
To: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
       Linux-SCSI <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>, akpm@linux-foundation.org
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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:10:53 -0500
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On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 11:58 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> James Bottomley wrote:
> > On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 10:42 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> >> This is the next revision of the SCSI event notification infrastructure
> >> patchset, enabling SATA Asynchronous Notification ("AN") for CD/DVD
> >> devices that support it.
> >>
> >> For devices that support SATA AN (only very recent ones do), this means
> >> that HAL and other userspace utilities no longer need to repeatedly poll
> >> the CD/DVD device to determine if the user has changed the media.
> >>
> >> This revision takes into account James' comments from earlier today,
> >> modulo the following notes:
> >>
> >> * I think the various event attributes should always be present,
> >>   for all devices at all times.  If various events are not supported,
> >>   the attribute will of course return zero (false, not supported).
> > 
> > Actually, I don't think so.  We have precedent for this in the transport
> > classes: if a device doesn't support a feature, we don't export the flag
> > for that feature through sysfs.  This allows not only feature control,
> > but an immediate view of the device capabilities simply by viewing the
> > sysfs directory.
> 
> Think about about the values being exported by these sysfs attributes: 
> they indicate whether or not that feature is supported.

Ah, OK; I haven't communicated what we need very clearly.  We need a way
to see if the event is supported by the device, as well as a way to turn
it off.  For some of the events (possibly not the SATA AN one, since I
know all SATA devices will be well behaved) there's going to be a need
to deal with berserk or broken devices that become trigger happy, so
turning off the event will be a useful (and possibly essential) way of
coping.

> Thus, using the presence/absence of an attribute to communicate the same 
> thing would be redundant.
> 
> This suggestion adds a whole lot of complexity -- mirroring every change 
> to sdev->supported_events by dynamically adding or removing attributes.
> 
> The current nice, simple, elegant bitops-based interface is suddenly a 
> lot more cumbersome if forced to deal with attribute creation and disposal.
> 
> Finally, this additional complexity of dynamic attribute management also 
> eliminates some key information:  userland can test the existence of the 
> attribute to determine if that support is present in the kernel.

James


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