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From:   Miquel Raynal <miquel.raynal@bootlin.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 3/3] nvmem: core: Expose cells through sysfs
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Hi Greg,

gregkh@linuxfoundation.org wrote on Mon, 17 Jul 2023 18:59:52 +0200:

> On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 06:33:23PM +0200, Miquel Raynal wrote:
> > Hi Greg,
> >=20
> > gregkh@linuxfoundation.org wrote on Mon, 17 Jul 2023 16:32:09 +0200:
> >  =20
> > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 09:51:47AM +0200, Miquel Raynal wrote: =20
> > > > The binary content of nvmem devices is available to the user so in =
the
> > > > easiest cases, finding the content of a cell is rather easy as it is
> > > > just a matter of looking at a known and fixed offset. However, nvmem
> > > > layouts have been recently introduced to cope with more advanced
> > > > situations, where the offset and size of the cells is not known in
> > > > advance or is dynamic. When using layouts, more advanced parsers are
> > > > used by the kernel in order to give direct access to the content of=
 each
> > > > cell, regardless of its position/size in the underlying
> > > > device. Unfortunately, these information are not accessible by user=
s,
> > > > unless by fully re-implementing the parser logic in userland.
> > > >=20
> > > > Let's expose the cells and their content through sysfs to avoid the=
se
> > > > situations. Of course the relevant NVMEM sysfs Kconfig option must =
be
> > > > enabled for this support to be available.
> > > >=20
> > > > Not all nvmem devices expose cells. Indeed, the .bin_attrs attribute
> > > > group member will be filled at runtime only when relevant and will
> > > > remain empty otherwise. In this case, as the cells attribute group =
will
> > > > be empty, it will not lead to any additional folder/file creation.
> > > >=20
> > > > Exposed cells are read-only. There is, in practice, everything in t=
he
> > > > core to support a write path, but as I don't see any need for that,=
 I
> > > > prefer to keep the interface simple (and probably safer). The inter=
face
> > > > is documented as being in the "testing" state which means we can la=
ter
> > > > add a write attribute if though relevant.
> > > >=20
> > > > There is one limitation though: if a layout is built as a module bu=
t is
> > > > not properly installed in the system and loaded manually with insmod
> > > > while the nvmem device driver was built-in, the cells won't appear =
in
> > > > sysfs. But if done like that, the cells won't be usable by the buil=
t-in
> > > > kernel drivers anyway.   =20
> > >=20
> > > Wait, what?  That should not be an issue here, if so, then this change
> > > is not correct and should be fixed as this is NOT an issue for sysfs
> > > (otherwise the whole tree wouldn't work.)
> > >=20
> > > Please fix up your dependancies if this is somehow not working proper=
ly. =20
> >=20
> > I'm not sure I fully get your point.
> >=20
> > There is no way we can describe any dependency between a storage device
> > driver and an nvmem layout. NVMEM is a pure software abstraction, the
> > layout that will be chosen depends on the device tree, but if the
> > layout has not been installed, there is no existing mechanism in
> > the kernel to prevent it from being loaded (how do you know it's
> > not on purpose?). =20
>=20
> Once a layout has been loaded, the sysfs files should show up, right?
> Otherwise what does a "layout" do?  (hint, I have no idea, it's an odd
> term to me...)

Sorry for the latency in responding to these questions, I'll try to
clarify the situation.

We have:
- device drivers (like NAND flashes, SPI-NOR flashes or EEPROMs) which
  typically probe and register their devices into the nvmem
  layer to expose their content through NVMEM.
- each registration in NVMEM leads to the creation of the relevant
  NVMEM cells which can then be used by other device drivers
  (typically: a network controller retrieving a MAC address from an
  EEPROM through the generic NVMEM abstraction).

We recently covered a slightly new case: the NVMEM cells can be in
random places in the storage devices so we need a "dynamic" way to
discover them: this is the purpose of the NVMEM layouts. We know cell X
is in the device, we just don't know where it is exactly at compile
time, the layout driver will discover it dynamically for us at runtime.

While the "static cells" parser is built-in the NVMEM subsystem, you
explicitly asked to have the layouts modularized. This means
registering a storage device in nvmem while no layout driver has been
inserted yet is now a scenario. We cannot describe any dependency
between a storage device and a layout driver. We cannot defer the probe
either because device drivers which don't get access to their NVMEM
cell are responsible of choosing what to do (most of the time, the idea
is to fallback to a default value to avoid failing the probe for no
reason).

So to answer your original question:

> Once a layout has been loaded, the sysfs files should show up, right?

No. The layouts are kind of "libraries" that the NVMEM subsystem uses
to try exposing cells *when* a new device is registered in NVMEM (not
later). The registration of an NVMEM layout does not trigger any new
parsing, because that is not how the NVMEM subsystem was designed.

I must emphasize that if the layout driver is installed in
/lib/modules/ there is no problem, it will be loaded with
usermodehelper. But if it is not, we can very well have the layout
driver inserted after, and this case, while in practice possible, is
irrelevant from a driver standpoint. It does not make any sense to have
these cells created "after" because they are mostly used during probes.
An easy workaround would be to unregister/register again the underlying
storage device driver.

Do these explanations clarify the situation?

Thanks,
Miqu=C3=A8l