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Hallyn" , Stephen Smalley , Eric Paris , kernel-team@android.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, io-uring@vger.kernel.org, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, selinux@vger.kernel.org, Joel Granados , Jeff Xu , Takaya Saeki , Tomasz Nowicki , Matteo Rizzo , Andres Freund Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on lindbergh.monkeyblade.net Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 4:40=E2=80=AFPM Dmytro Maluka wro= te: > On 11/10/22 22:04, Paul Moore wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 12:54 PM Jeffrey Vander Stoep wrote: > >> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 10:17 PM Paul Moore wrote= : > >>> > >>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 3:58 PM Gil Cukierman wrote= : > >>>> > >>>> This patchset provides the changes required for controlling access t= o > >>>> the io_uring_setup system call by LSMs. It does this by adding a new > >>>> hook to io_uring. It also provides the SELinux implementation for a = new > >>>> permission, io_uring { setup }, using the new hook. > >>>> > >>>> This is important because existing io_uring hooks only support limit= ing > >>>> the sharing of credentials and access to the sensitive uring_cmd fil= e > >>>> op. Users of LSMs may also want the ability to tightly control which > >>>> callers can retrieve an io_uring capable fd from the kernel, which i= s > >>>> needed for all subsequent io_uring operations. > >>> > >>> It isn't immediately obvious to me why simply obtaining a io_uring fd > >>> from io_uring_setup() would present a problem, as the security > >>> relevant operations that are possible with that io_uring fd *should* > >>> still be controlled by other LSM hooks. Can you help me understand > >>> what security issue you are trying to resolve with this control? > >> > >> I think there are a few reasons why we want this particular hook. > >> > >> 1. It aligns well with how other resources are managed by selinux > >> where access to the resource is the first control point (e.g. "create" > >> for files, sockets, or bpf_maps, "prog_load" for bpf programs, and > >> "open" for perf_event) and then additional functionality or > >> capabilities require additional permissions. > > > > [NOTE: there were two reply sections in your email, and while similar, > > they were not identical; I've trimmed the other for the sake of > > clarity] > > > > The resources you mention are all objects which contain some type of > > information (either user data, configuration, or program > > instructions), with the resulting fd being a handle to those objects. > > In the case of io_uring the fd is a handle to the io_uring > > interface/rings, which by itself does not contain any information > > which is not already controlled by other permissions. > > > > I/O operations which transfer data between the io_uring buffers and > > other system objects, e.g. IORING_OP_READV, are still subject to the > > same file access controls as those done by the application using > > syscalls. Even the IORING_OP_OPENAT command goes through the standard > > VFS code path which means it will trigger the same access control > > checks as an open*() done by the application normally. > > > > The 'interesting' scenarios are those where the io_uring operation > > servicing credentials, aka personalities, differ from the task > > controlling the io_uring. However in those cases we have the new > > io_uring controls to gate these delegated operations. Passing an > > io_uring fd is subject to the fd/use permission like any other fd. > > > > Although perhaps the most relevant to your request is the fact that > > the io_uring inode is created using the new(ish) secure anon inode > > interface which ensures that the creating task has permission to > > create an io_uring. This io_uring inode label also comes into play > > when a task attempts to mmap() the io_uring rings, a critical part of > > the io_uring API. > > > > If I'm missing something you believe to be important, please share the = details. > > > >> 2. It aligns well with how resources are managed on Android. We often > >> do not grant direct access to resources (like memory buffers). > > > > Accessing the io_uring buffers requires a task to mmap() the io_uring > > fd which is controlled by the normal SELinux mmap() access controls. > > > >> 3. Attack surface management. One of the primary uses of selinux on > >> Android is to assess and limit attack surface (e.g. > >> https://twitter.com/jeffvanderstoep/status/1422771606309335043) . As > >> io_uring vulnerabilities have made their way through our vulnerability > >> management system, it's become apparent that it's complicated to > >> assess the impact. Is a use-after-free reachable? Creating > >> proof-of-concept exploits takes a lot of time, and often functionality > >> can be reached by multiple paths. How many of the known io_uring > >> vulnerabilities would be gated by the existing checks? How many future > >> ones will be gated by the existing checks? I don't know the answer to > >> either of these questions and it's not obvious. This hook makes that > >> initial assessment simple and effective. > > > > It should be possible to deny access to io_uring via the anonymous > > inode labels, the mmap() controls, and the fd/use permission. If you > > find a way to do meaningful work with an io_uring fd that can't be > > controlled via an existing permission check please let me know. > > Thank you a lot for this explanation. However, IMHO we should not > confuse 2 somewhat different problems here: > > - protecting io_uring related resources (file descriptors, memory > buffers) against unauthorized access > > - protecting the entire system against potential vulnerabilities in > io_uring > > And while I agree that the existing permission checks should be already > sufficient for the former, I'm not quite sure they are sufficient for > the latter. ... > I already have a PoC patch [3] adding such LSM hook. But before I try to > submit it for upstream, I'd like to know your opinion on the whole idea. First please explain how the existing LSM/SELinux control points are not sufficient for restricting io_uring operations. I'm looking for a real program flow that is able to "do meaningful work with an io_uring fd that can't be controlled via an existing permission check". --=20 paul-moore.com