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From:   Lorenzo Pieralisi <lpieralisi@kernel.org>
To:     Manivannan Sadhasivam <mani@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 1/5] dt-bindings: PCI: brcmstb: Add brcm,enable-l1ss
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On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 11:46:50PM +0530, Manivannan Sadhasivam wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 09:09:25AM -0400, Jim Quinlan wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 3:43 AM Manivannan Sadhasivam <mani@kernel.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 08, 2023 at 06:01:21PM -0400, Jim Quinlan wrote:
> > > > This commit adds the boolean "brcm,enable-l1ss" property:
> > > >
> > > >   The Broadcom STB/CM PCIe HW -- a core that is also used by RPi SOCs --
> > > >   requires the driver probe() to deliberately place the HW one of three
> > > >   CLKREQ# modes:
> > > >
> > > >   (a) CLKREQ# driven by the RC unconditionally
> > > >   (b) CLKREQ# driven by the EP for ASPM L0s, L1
> > > >   (c) Bidirectional CLKREQ#, as used for L1 Substates (L1SS).
> > > >
> > > >   The HW+driver can tell the difference between downstream devices that
> > > >   need (a) and (b), but does not know when to configure (c).  All devices
> > > >   should work fine when the driver chooses (a) or (b), but (c) may be
> > > >   desired to realize the extra power savings that L1SS offers.  So we
> > > >   introduce the boolean "brcm,enable-l1ss" property to inform the driver
> > > >   that (c) is desired.  Setting this property only makes sense when the
> > > >   downstream device is L1SS-capable and the OS is configured to activate
> > > >   this mode (e.g. policy==powersupersave).
> > > >
> > > >   This property is already present in the Raspian version of Linux, but the
> > > >   upstream driver implementation that follows adds more details and
> > > >   discerns between (a) and (b).
> > > >
> > > > Signed-off-by: Jim Quinlan <jim2101024@gmail.com>
> > > > Reviewed-by: Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>
> > > > ---
> > > >  Documentation/devicetree/bindings/pci/brcm,stb-pcie.yaml | 9 +++++++++
> > > >  1 file changed, 9 insertions(+)
> > > >
> > > > diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/pci/brcm,stb-pcie.yaml b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/pci/brcm,stb-pcie.yaml
> > > > index 7e15aae7d69e..8b61c2179608 100644
> > > > --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/pci/brcm,stb-pcie.yaml
> > > > +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/pci/brcm,stb-pcie.yaml
> > > > @@ -64,6 +64,15 @@ properties:
> > > >
> > > >    aspm-no-l0s: true
> > > >
> > > > +  brcm,enable-l1ss:
> > > > +    description: Indicates that PCIe L1SS power savings
> > > > +      are desired, the downstream device is L1SS-capable, and the
> > > > +      OS has been configured to enable this mode.  For boards
> > > > +      using a mini-card connector, this mode may not meet the
> > > > +      TCRLon maximum time of 400ns, as specified in 3.2.5.2.2
> > > > +      of the PCI Express Mini CEM 2.0 specification.
> > >
> > > As Lorenzo said, this property doesn't belong in DT. DT is supposed to specify
> > > the hardware capability and not system/OS behavior.
> > 
> > The "brcm,enable-l1ss" does NOT configure the OS behavior.
> > It sets or not a mode bit to enable l1SS HW, whether or not the OS is
> > configured for L1SS.
> > It compensates for a problem in the PCIe core: the HW is not capable
> > of dynamically
> > switching between ASPM modes powersave and superpowersave.  I am actively
> > advocating for our HW to change but that will take years.
> > 
> 
> Okay, then I would say that the property name and commit message were a bit
> misleading. 
> 
> I had briefly gone through the driver patch now. As per my understanding, you
> have 2 modes in hw:
> 
> 1. Clock PM - Refclk will be turned off by the host if CLKREQ# is deasserted by
> the device (driving high) when the link is in L1.
> 
> 2. L1SS - CLKREQ# will be used to decide L1SS entry and exit by the host.
> 
> Till now the driver only supported Clock PM through mode (1) but for supporting
> L1SS you need to enable mode (2). And you are using this property to select mode
> (2) when the L1SS supported devices are connected to the slot. Also, by
> selecting this mode, you are loosing the benefit of mode (1) as both are not
> compatible.
> 
> My suggestion would be to just drop mode (1) and use mode (2) in the driver as
> most of the recent devices should support L1SS (ofc there are exemptions).
> 
> But moving that decision to DT still doesn't seem right to me as the hardware
> supports both modes and you are (ab)using DT to choose one or the other.

Jim ? We need to queue this series as soon as possible, if we don't
reach consensus by this evening I will queue the last three patches
only.

Lorenzo

> - Mani
> 
> > If this flag specifies
> > > whether the PCIe controller supports L1SS or not, then it is fine but apparantly
> > > this specifies that all downstream devices are L1SS capable which you cannot
> > > guarantee unless you poke into their LNKCAP during runtime.
> > Not true at all.  This setting affects only RC and whatever device is
> > connected to its single downstream
> > port.
> > 
> > >
> > > You should handle this in the driver itself.
> > 
> > The driver has no way of knowing if the PCI subsystem is going from power_save
> > to power_supersave or vice-versa -- there is no notification chain for this.  So
> > what you say is not currently possible from the driver's perspective.
> > 
> > Perhaps you would be happy if we changed it to "l1ss-support" in the
> > spirit of the
> > existing "clkreq-support" PCI parameter?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Jim Quinlan
> > Broadcom STB/CMi
> > 
> > >
> > > - Mani
> > >
> > > > +    type: boolean
> > > > +
> > > >    brcm,scb-sizes:
> > > >      description: u64 giving the 64bit PCIe memory
> > > >        viewport size of a memory controller.  There may be up to
> > > > --
> > > > 2.17.1
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
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