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From:   AKASHI Takahiro <takahiro.akashi@linaro.org>
To:     Cristian Marussi <cristian.marussi@arm.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC] scmi: pinctrl: support i.MX9
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On Thu, Sep 07, 2023 at 11:05:52AM +0100, Cristian Marussi wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 06, 2023 at 02:43:46PM +0900, AKASHI Takahiro wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 02:37:48PM +0100, Cristian Marussi wrote:
> > > On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 12:48:37PM +0000, Peng Fan wrote:
> > > > Hi Cristian,
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> > > > > Subject: Re: [RFC] scmi: pinctrl: support i.MX9
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 08:43:38AM +0000, Peng Fan wrote:
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [RFC] scmi: pinctrl: support i.MX9
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 2:47 PM Peng Fan <peng.fan@nxp.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Me:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hi Peng,
> > > > > 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> it is merely making things more complex and also slower
> > > > > > > > > bymaking the registers only accessible from this SCMI link.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This is for safety reason, the pinctrl hardware must be handled by
> > > > > > > > a system manager entity. So mmio direct access not allowed from
> > > > > > > > Cortex-A side.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yeah I understood as much. But I don't think that the firmware is
> > > > > > > really filtering any of the access, it will just poke into any
> > > > > > > pinctrl register as instructed anyway so what's the point. Just looks like a
> > > > > layer of indirection.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No, the firmware has a check on whether a pin is allowed to be
> > > > > > configured by the agent that wanna to configure the pin.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > But I'm not your system manager, so it's not my decision.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The SCMI firmware is very straightforward, there is no group or
> > > > > > > > function.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It just accepts the format as this:
> > > > > > > > MUX_TYPE, MUX VALUE, CONF_TYPE, CONF_VAL, DAISY_TYPE, DAISY
> > > > > ID,
> > > > > > > > DAISY_CFG, DAISY_VALUE.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Similar as linux MMIO format.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Our i.MX95 platform will support two settings, one with SCMI
> > > > > > > > firmware, one without SCMI. These two settings will share the same
> > > > > > > > pinctrl header file.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And to simplify the scmi firmware design(anyway I am not owner of
> > > > > > > > the firmware), to make pinctrl header shared w/o scmi, we take the
> > > > > > > > current in-upstream freescale imx binding format.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The SCMI people will have to state their position on this.
> > > > > > > Like what they consider conformance and what extensions are allowed.
> > > > > > > This is more a standardization question than an implementation
> > > > > > > question so it's not really my turf.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The i.MX95 SCMI firmware uses OEM extension type. So I just follow
> > > > > > what the firmware did and support it in linux. Anyway let's wait
> > > > > > Sudeep's reply.
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > So my unsderstanding on this matter as of now is that:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1. the current SCMI Pinctrl specification can support your usecase by using
> > > > >    OEM Types and multiple pins/values CONFIG_GET/SET commands
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, based on the Oleksii patchset with my local multiple configs support.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Yes, I know, I pointed out on his series that the protocol has still to
> > > be fixed to be aligned with the latest BETA2 spec (we changed the spec
> > > on the fly while he was already posting indeed..)
> > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 2. the Kernel SCMI protocol layer (driver/firmware/arm_scmi/pinctrl.c)
> > > > >    is equally fine and can support your usecase, AFTER Oleksii fixes it to
> > > > >    align it to the latest v3.2-BETA2 specification changes.
> > > > >    IOW, this means that, using the SCMI Pinctrl protocol operations
> > > > >    exposed in scmi_protocol.h, from somewhere, you are able to properly
> > > > >    configure multiple pins/values with your specific OEM types.
> > > > 
> > > > Yes.
> > > 
> > > Good.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 3. The SCMI Pinctrl driver (by Oleksii) built on top of the pinctrl protocol
> > > > >    operations is instead NOT suitable for your usecase since it uses the Linux
> > > > >    Generic Pinconf and IMX does not make use of it, and instead IMX has
> > > > >    its own bindings and related parsing logic.
> > > > 
> > > > Yes.
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Am I right ?
> > > > 
> > > > You are right.
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > If this is the case, I would NOT try to abuse the current SCMI Pinctrl Generic
> > > > > driver (by Oleksii) by throwing into it a bunch of IMX specific DT parsing,
> > > > > also because you'll end-up NOT using most of the generic SCMI Pinctrl driver
> > > > > but just reusing a bit of the probe (customized with your own DT maps
> > > > > parsing)
> > > > 
> > > > Only DT map to parse the dts and map to config array. Others are same,
> > > > so need to export some symbols for pinctrl-scmi-imx.c driver if build imx
> > > > scmi driver.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Yes, but you are basically using some exported symbol to parse the DT in
> > > your way and then you do not use anything of the various
> > > functions/groups stuff...you just leverage some of the probing stuff and
> > > then issue you OEM Type configs....I mean most of the picntrl-scmi
> > > driver would be unused anyway in this scenario.
> > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Instead, given that the spec[1.] and the protocol layer[2.] are fine for your
> > > > > use case and you indeed have already a custom way to parse your DT
> > > > > mappings, I would say that you could just write your own custom SCMI
> > > > > driver ( ? pinctrl-imx-scmi), distinct and much more simple than the generic
> > > > > one, that does its own IMX DT parsing and calls just the SCMI protocol
> > > > > operations that it needs in the way that your platform expects: so basically
> > > > > another Pinctrl SCMI driver that does not use the generic pinconf DT
> > > > > configuration BUT DO USE the underlying SCMI Pinctrl protocol (via its
> > > > > exposed protocol operations...)
> > > > 
> > > > I am ok with this approach, but I need use the other ID, saying 0x99, not 0x19,
> > > > because 0x19 will bind with the pinctrl-scmi.c driver, I could not reuse
> > > > this ID for i.MX pinctrl-scmi-imx driver. Otherwise there will be issue if both
> > > > driver are built in kernel image.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Ok here I lost you.
> > > 
> > > The protocol ID 0x19 is bound to the protocol layer and identifies the
> > > standard Pinctrl protocol: usually you use a 0x99 to define and describe
> > > you own specific NEW vendor protocol, BUT here you are saying you are fine to
> > > use std Pinctrl spec AND the protocol operations as exposed in pinctrl.c, so
> > > I dont see why you should use a new vendor protocol_id to basically
> > > expose the same operations. (and I also dont see how you can do that
> > > without hacks in the current codebase)
> > > 
> > > You CAN have multiple SCMI drivers using the same protocol at the same
> > > time (even more than one protocol at the same time), even though we try
> > > to avoid it if there are no good reason to have more than one driver, there
> > > is nothing in the spec or in the current SCMI platform or agent stacks that
> > > inhibits such scenario (and I use iot heavily for my offline testing
> > > indeed.)
> > > 
> > > Look at:
> > > 
> > >  - drivers/hwmon/scmi-hwmon 
> > >  - drivers/iio/common/scmi_sensors/scmi_iio.c
> > > 
> > > and you'll see that these 2 drivers uses the same SENSOR protocol, just for
> > > different sensor types so they do not interfere one with each other.
> > 
> > Then, how are those two devices identified in a device tree?
> 
> At SCMI probe time the SCMI core stack creates one device for each
> 'protocol_id/name' as provided by the registered SCMI drivers in
> their respective scmi_device_id/id_tableS, as long as the requested
> protocol is active in the DT (protocol@XX defined) and the 'name'
> is not duplicated; each of these devices, sharing the same SCMI
> protocol, are created sharing also the same DT node protocol@XX.

That's fine.

> Their respective SCMI drivers are subsequently separately matched on
> protocol_id/name and then probed as usual: it is up to the drivers not
> to step on each other feet by competing for the same SCMI resources...
> ...like issuing comflicting request for the same reosurce domain
> on the same protocol.

That's fine.
My question/idea is simple; how two pinctrl drivers, if possible, be
represented in a single device tree. To allow the case of Peng Fan,
for example, I suppose that we need some DT binding like:

    scmi {
        scmi_pinctrl: protocol@19 {
            compatible = "arm, scmi-pinctrl-generic"; // not sure if needed

            pinmux ... // standard binding
            ...
        }
    }
    scmi_pinctrl_fsl {
        compatible = "fsl,scmi-pinctrl-imx9";

        fsl,pinmux = <&scmi_pinctrl, ...>,
                     <&scmi_pinctrl, ...>;
        ...
    }

"scmi_pinctrl_fsl" driver may reuse generic SCMI pinctrl helper functions,
except dt_node_to_map, in pictrl_ops.

-Takahiro Akashi

> I suppose, though, a lot depends on how the respective drivers interact
> with their subsystems, like IIO SCMI does not really need any info
> from DT, and the hwmon uses just the phandle to pick the sensor_domain_id
> to associate, as an example, to thermal sensors.
> 
> > That is the point in Peng's case and why he wants to have a dedicated
> > protocol id (I don't agree to this, though.)
> > If we follow Cristian's idea, we may want to have two dt nodes, say
> > pinctrl-scmi-generic and pinctrl-scmi-imx, as phandles for other device
> > nodes to refer to pins, respectively.
> > I think there is currently no mechanism (or binding?) to allow this
> > except adding a protocol id.
> >
> 
> Beside the uglyness of having 2 different DT bindings schemas for 2
> different drivers coexisting in the same parent protocol node, it is
> still not clear to me why this cant be done technically without the need
> of a new dummy 0x99 protocol_node, given that each driver can use its
> own parsing logic in its probe, which is what Peng is doing in
> dt_node_to_map indeed ...even though, maybe, the result would be so
> ugly and/or not accepatble from bindings point of view that we will
> not want to do it at the end anyway....I mean maybe it is just the
> attempt itself to combine the Generic Pinctrl approach with the highly
> specific IMX approach that inevitably leads to these clashes...
> 
> ...I maybe missing something, though, so I'll made some experiments on
> my side about this before I'll keep on blabbing :P
> 
> Thanks,
> Cristian