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Wong" Subject: Re: [GIT PULL v2] timestamp fixes Message-ID: <20230924-trial-dennoch-e641f0e0ee1b@brauner> References: <20230921-umgekehrt-buden-a8718451ef7c@brauner> <0d006954b698cb1cea3a93c1662b5913a0ded3b1.camel@kernel.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_HIGH, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on lindbergh.monkeyblade.net Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (snail.vger.email [0.0.0.0]); Sun, 24 Sep 2023 03:26:59 -0700 (PDT) > > Those workloads are broken garbage, and we should *not* use that kind > > of sh*t to decide on VFS internals. > > > > Sorry, I phrased it completely wrong. Thanks for clearing this up. I had just formulated my own reply but I'll happily delete it. :) > The workloads don't expect 1ns resolution. Yes, they don't. In the revert explanation I just used that number to illustrate the general ordering problem. The workload that surfaced the issue is just plain weird of course but it points to a more general ordering problem. > The workloads just compare timestamps of objects and expect some sane > not-before ordering rules. Yes. > If user visible timestamps are truncated to 100ns all is good. Yes.