Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1759509AbXKLRiQ (ORCPT ); Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:38:16 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1758104AbXKLRiB (ORCPT ); Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:38:01 -0500 Received: from sitemail2.everyone.net ([216.200.145.36]:45846 "EHLO omta14.mta.everyone.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752426AbXKLRiA (ORCPT ); Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:38:00 -0500 X-Eon-Dm: dm43 X-Eon-Sig: AQF97PZHOI9fb4Fb4gIAAAAC,87a9992cd10d6e9842a0359d07a0c0df Message-ID: <47388F5A.20206@smsglobal.net> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 01:37:30 +0800 From: "Rogelio M. Serrano Jr." User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linux Kernel Mailing List Cc: Tuomo Valkonen Subject: Re: [poll] Is the megafreeze development model broken? References: <20071112152057.GJ9771@stusta.de> <20071112160254.GA31972@jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi> In-Reply-To: <20071112160254.GA31972@jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig912680673616DF284FE0F40A" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 4828 Lines: 128 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig912680673616DF284FE0F40A Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040802010504040800000504" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040802010504040800000504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > >> But the good thing about open source software is that when you believe= =20 >> your ideas are better than what current distributions do you can=20 >> implement your ideas and create your own distribution.=20 >> =20 > > Haha, the typical FOSS advocate's fallacy. Quote: > > =E2=80=9CYou have the binary, you can crack it.=E2=80=9D Does that soun= d familiar? No? How > about? =E2=80=9CIt's free software, you can fix or implement what you w= ant.=E2=80=9D These > =20 I pretty much do that nowadays. But i dont expect non programmers to do likewise. At least i dont need a couple million bucks to preserve my programming skills. Its actually good for programmers. In the third world where i live its makes a world of difference. The availability of source does not mean that everybody must use source. I think everybody also agrees that its better then binary only distributi= on. > two statements are fundamentally the same: they expect that you have th= e > time and skill to modify the software to your needs. That it is easier = when > the source is out in the open =E2=80=93 and it doesn't even have to be = =E2=80=9Cfree=E2=80=9D or > =20 I dont understand. You are supposed to go to jail for looking at closed source, right? And licenses are very expensive. I could not afford them when i started out but now i would rather spend the money on other things like FPGA's. > =E2=80=9Copen source=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 is just a detail. Nevertheless,= the uncritical free softwaree to deal with > and open source advocates often resort to this argument when their soft= ware > is found flawed. It is true, the herd of the bazaar indeed has the powe= r to > modify software to its liking =E2=80=93 to the shoddy least common deno= minator > product that herd desires are for. It is even possible for the unique o= ne to > =20 really? i work very hard at it. and it seems to get better steadily. > set up a shop within the bazaar, providing minor improvements to a few = of > the bazaar's shoddy products. But to build a cathedral providing treatm= ents > to all the ills of the bazaar =E2=80=93 that demands more effort than t= he herd can > appreciate. There is no practical choice but to use the shoddy products= of > the bazaar. In the present state of affairs, for those not of the herd,= the > only choice =E2=80=93 the only practical freedom =E2=80=93 in free soft= ware, is the choice > not to use it. > > [1]: http://iki.fi/tuomov/b/archives/2006/03/17/T20_15_31/ > > =20 You seem to be saying that Open source will never be good enough. And that the megafreeze problem is a necessary consequence. Thats fine with me. Its not going to make me stop using open source and linux because there is a good solution to the megafreeze problem. You might as well start ignoring Linux and the BSD's since Microsoft is already offering an alternative. At least you dont have to deal with that problem there. --=20 Democracy is about two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for dinner= =2E --------------040802010504040800000504 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="rogelio.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="rogelio.vcf" YmVnaW46dmNhcmQNCmZuOlJvZ2VsaW8gTS4gU2VycmFubyBKcg0KbjpNLiBTZXJyYW5vIEpy O1JvZ2VsaW8NCm9yZzpTTVNHIENvbW11bmljYXRpb25zIFBoaWxpcHBpbmVzO1RlY2huaWNh bCBEZXBhcnRtZW50DQphZHI6Ozs7Ozs7UmVwdWJsaWMgb2YgdGhlIFBoaWxpcHBpbmVzDQpl bWFpbDtpbnRlcm5ldDpyb2dlbGlvQHNtc2dsb2JhbC5uZXQNCnRpdGxlOlByb2dyYW1tZXIN CnRlbDt3b3JrOis2MzI3NTM0MTQ1DQp0ZWw7aG9tZTorNjMyOTUyNzAyNg0KdGVsO2NlbGw6 KzYzOTIwOTIwMjI2Nw0KeC1tb3ppbGxhLWh0bWw6RkFMU0UNCnZlcnNpb246Mi4xDQplbmQ6 dmNhcmQNCg0K --------------040802010504040800000504-- --------------enig912680673616DF284FE0F40A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHOI9ayihxuQOYt8wRAsrIAJ0S8+ooTzVvzTo2eBLZQ/WA38ddIgCdEO6d Q+gkAGO1S3Xque6zl/DeiAk= =smMq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig912680673616DF284FE0F40A-- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/