Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755347AbXKMMgd (ORCPT ); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:36:33 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751975AbXKMMg0 (ORCPT ); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:36:26 -0500 Received: from chello089077114002.chello.pl ([89.77.114.2]:41313 "EHLO astralstorm.puszkin.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753227AbXKMMgZ (ORCPT ); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:36:25 -0500 X-Greylist: delayed 447 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at vger.kernel.org; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:36:24 EST Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:28:47 +0100 From: Radoslaw Szkodzinski (AstralStorm) To: Tuomo Valkonen Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [poll] Is the megafreeze development model broken? Message-ID: <20071113132847.555e6c84@astralstorm.puszkin.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20071112152057.GJ9771@stusta.de> <20071112160254.GA31972@jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi> <47388F5A.20206@smsglobal.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/DYJbtYBVf/eWf1qCj7LtJVh"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 4381 Lines: 105 --Sig_/DYJbtYBVf/eWf1qCj7LtJVh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:53:06 +0000 (UTC) Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > The complement of "open source" is not closed source, or at least > "source not available". (And I doubt it's even illegal to look at > source you have somehow got.) It includes so-called license-free=20 > or license-less software [1] as well -- something I'm likely to do > with any of my future work, if I release the source at all. The only problem with djb's scheme is that you cannot mirror the software u= nless given permission from the author. No, not even unmodified source. And in some (weird) parts of the world, all rights are reserved by default.= Not just distribution rights, also use rights. So you have to spell it out= that you allow people to use the software unconditionally. There's no need= to disclaim warranty if you don't expect to ever be sued. (anyway, it's no= t sold, so most warranty rights don't apply) Disclaimer: IANAL. > It's been a constant downfall ever since I started using Linux in '95 > or so. None of the gripes I had then have been fixed (the bloatware > known as the X server is still allowed to hang the system), and many=20 > other things have been turned into crap, largely due to world domination > plans. (See the "idiot box Linux" link in one of the recent posts.) Everybody knows the story of X server development model, which has been ver= y ineffective until recent xorg-x11 developments. It's just been 3 releases= (7.0 and 7.1 count as one) since X.org took over. Cut it some slack just y= et, please. Certain commercial X servers are nice and lightweight. Go buy a licence if = you hate X.org distribution. Oh, it doesn't have the drivers you need? Toug= h luck. Pay your hardware developer and/or the company. Any system that doesn't have the same user base as Windows or enough money = to bribe major hardware players will suffer the same problem. (Apple can pay some for drivers) BTW, why don't we see graphic systems other than X in the FOSS market? All such projects I can recall failed: Y-Windows, Fresco... Only Apple had enough manpower to implement its own replacement (Quartz), a= nd they were in a better place: they were writing a system from scratch, wi= th almost no concerns about backwards compatibility. So, in order to start an X replacement, you have to write an operating syst= em around it... > Indeed, Microsoft is offering the only alternative to the suffocating > monoculturist hegemony promoted by the major FOSS projects. (OS X > is too much like Gnome.) Huh? It is the Microsoft that is the monoculture. They supply one true GUI with scarce documentation, a package of bundled so= ftware and libraries (including C library), one true media system (DirectSh= ow) and one true configuration system - registry. And also an internet brow= ser. Recently the suite has been expanded with .NET runtime. Guess what - these mostly (uhm...) work fine. The about only difference is that people (developers external to Microsoft)= bundle software with the dependencies. I wonder why almost no distributions do that... You can install multiple versions of the same package... it requires modera= te amount of work, nothing a medium-size distribution can't handle. (e.g. s= ome Linux-From-Scratch installation methods and GoboLinux support multiple = installations of the same package) Just some build system patches for certain software. Oh, you want to get everything with no work on your part? Go ask your vendo= r... that is, upstream. BTW, good flame bait. > [1]: http://www.thedjbway.org/license_free.html Footnotes have no place in emails. 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