Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:56:10 +0100
From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>, Benoit Boissinot <bboissin@gmail.com>,
       Mark Lord <liml@rtr.ca>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
       Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
       David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>, protasnb@gmail.com,
       linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
       alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org,
       linux-pcmcia@lists.infradead.org, linux-input@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz,
       bugme-daemon@bugzilla.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs
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On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:13:56PM -0500, Theodore Tso wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 04:52:32PM +0100, Benoit Boissinot wrote:
> > Btw, I used to test every -mm kernel. But since I've switched distros
> > (gentoo->ubuntu)
> > and I have less time, I feel it's harder to test -rc or -mm kernels (I
> > know this isn't a lkml problem
> > but more a distro problem, but I would love having an ubuntu blessed
> > repo with current dev kernel
> > for the latest stable ubuntu release).
> 
> There are two parts to this.  One is a Ubuntu development kernel which
> we can give to large numbers of people to expand our testing pool.
> But if we don't do a better job of responding to bug reports that
> would be generated by expanded testing this won't necessarily help us.
>...

The main problem aren't missing testers [1] - we already have relatively 
experienced people testing kernels and/or reporting bugs, and we slowly 
scare them away due to the many bug reports without any reaction.

The main problem is finding experienced developers who spend time on 
looking into bug reports.

Getting many relatively unexperienced users (who need more guidance for 
debugging issues) as additional testers is therefore IMHO not 
necessarily a good idea.

> 						- Ted

cu
Adrian

[1] and e.g. when Greg says he has a few hundred people who want to
    write drivers it would most likely be possible to find a few
    dozen additional -rc testers among them

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed

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