Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1762741AbXKMTG0 (ORCPT ); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:06:26 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1756214AbXKMTGQ (ORCPT ); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:06:16 -0500 Received: from smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.198.211]:26845 "HELO smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1753678AbXKMTGP (ORCPT ); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:06:15 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id; b=UL7ZeaUgBCqpT3Rb3FwSnz5Pz1r706GK6aNzJEXakcokw2An8hWIsYpU6Hfdcs7ud1wIE2K02/IByfg1gWxBE4B4sXAbgOzkxj8DzvmBFBjXiNJGBbTS7SiL8Cc/CSssP2Tj8OSlxugyyqB99AFBWPsNsTPIGriYTd717MXtmlg= ; X-YMail-OSG: v19LP2sVM1mfZyg2l2Ioq6TRJlxDd_8QKhQB9Hh6PfIBhInKiZAQpldXuiC6UaQRWpdL040VsA-- From: David Brownell To: "eric miao" Subject: Re: [patch/rfc 1/4] GPIO implementation framework Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:06:10 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 Cc: "Linux Kernel list" , "Felipe Balbi" , "Bill Gatliff" , "Haavard Skinnemoen" , "Andrew Victor" , "Tony Lindgren" , "Jean Delvare" , "Kevin Hilman" , "Paul Mundt" , "Ben Dooks" References: <200710291809.29936.david-b@pacbell.net> <200711051305.13980.david-b@pacbell.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200711131106.11277.david-b@pacbell.net> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 5255 Lines: 134 On Monday 12 November 2007, eric miao wrote: > Hi David, > > I hope I was not late giving my humble feedback on this framework :-) > > Can we use "per gpio based" structure instead of "per gpio_chip" based one, > just like what the generic IRQ layer is doing nowadays? We "can" do most anything. What would that improve though? Each irq_chip handles multiple IRQs ... just like this patch has each gpio_chip handling multiple GPIOs. (Not that I think GPIO code should closely model IRQ code; they need to address very different problems.) I can't tell what you intend to suggest as a "per-GPIO" data structure; since I can think of at least three different ways to do such a thing, you should be more concrete. I'd think it should be in *addition* to a gpio_chip structure though. > So that > > a. you don't have to declare per gpio_chip "can_sleep", "is_out" and > "requested". > Those will be just bits of properties of a single GPIO. The can_sleep value is a per-controller thing. The other bits are indeed per-GPIO. So do you mean a structure with two bits, plus a pointer to a gpio_chip, plus likely other stuff (what?) to make it work? What would the hot-path costs be (for getting/setting values of an on-chip GPIO)? > b. and furthur more, one can avoid the use of ARCH_GPIOS_PER_CHIP, which > leads to many holes Why should holes (in the GPIO number sequence) be a problem? In this code, they don't cost much space at all. They'd cost more if there were a per-GPIO structure though... The only downside of GPIOS_PER_CHIP that I know of right now is that it complicates mixing gpio bank sizes; it's a ceiling, some controllers would allocate more than they need. The upside of that is efficiency, and a closer match to how underlying hardware works. Of course, GPIOS_PER_CHIP *could* be decoupled from how the table of gpio_chip pointers is managed. If the table were to group GPIOs in units of 8, a gpio_chip with 32 GPIOs could take four adjacent entries while an 8-bit GPIO expander could take just one. That'd be a very easy patch, supporting a more dense allocation of GPIO numbers... although it would increase static memory consumption by typically NR_GPIOS/4 pointers. > c. gpio_to_chip() will be made easy and straight forward I'd say "return chips[gpio / ARCH_GPIOS_PER_CHIP]" already meets both criteria! There's also "efficient" to consider; this way doesn't cost much memory or add levels of indirection (compared to most platforms, which already use a similar array). > d. granularity of spin_lock()/_unlock() can be made small > (per GPIO instead of per gpio_chip) Why would per-GPIO locking be needed though? Look again... The locking is there fundamentally because gpio_chip structures may need to be unregistered; that's not a per-gpio issue. Even when a gpio is marked in chip->requested under that lock, that's part of ensuring that the unregistration is prevented so long as the GPIO is in active use. Plus, fine grained locking is rarely a good idea; it normally increases locking overhead by involving multiple locks. Only add extra locks if a single lock sees too much contention; and even then, only if that contention can't be removed by using a smarter design. - Dave > What do you think? > > - eric > > On Nov 6, 2007 5:05 AM, David Brownell wrote: > > On Monday 29 October 2007, David Brownell wrote: > > > > > > Provides new implementation infrastructure that platforms may choose to use > > > when implementing the GPIO programming interface. Platforms can update their > > > GPIO support to use this. The downside is slower access to non-inlined GPIOs; > > > rarely a problem except when bitbanging some protocol. > > > > I was asked just what that overhead *is* ... and it surprised me. > > A summary of the results is appended to this note. > > > > Fortuntely it turns out those problems all go away if the gpiolib > > code uses a *raw* spinlock to guard its table lookups. With a raw > > spinlock, any performance impact of gpiolib seems to be well under > > a microsecond in this bitbang context (and not objectionable). > > Preempt became free; enabling debug options had only a minor cost. > > > > That's as it should be, since the only substantive changes were to > > grab and release a lock, do one table lookup a bit differently, and > > add one indirection function call ... changes which should not have > > any visible performance impact on per-bit codepaths, and one might > > expect to cost on the order of one dozen instructions. > > > > > > So the next version of this code will include a few minor bugfixes, > > and will also use a raw spinlock to protect that table. A raw lock > > seems appropriate there in any case, since non-sleeping GPIOs should > > be accessible from hardirq contexts even on RT kernels. > > > > If anyone has any strong arguments against using a raw spinlock > > to protect that table, it'd be nice to know them sooner rather > > than later. > > > > - Dave > > > - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/