Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1761096AbXKNUJe (ORCPT ); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:09:34 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752004AbXKNUJX (ORCPT ); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:09:23 -0500 Received: from accolon.hansenpartnership.com ([64.109.89.108]:35699 "EHLO accolon.hansenpartnership.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751806AbXKNUJV (ORCPT ); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:09:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs From: James Bottomley To: David Miller Cc: mingo@elte.hu, rdunlap@xenotime.net, akpm@linux-foundation.org, protasnb@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-pcmcia@lists.infradead.org, linux-input@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz, bugme-daemon@bugzilla.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20071114.115601.00715073.davem@davemloft.net> References: <20071113134029.GA30978@elte.hu> <20071113085514.3414aa52.rdunlap@xenotime.net> <20071114140847.GA11489@elte.hu> <20071114.115601.00715073.davem@davemloft.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:09:14 -0600 Message-Id: <1195070954.8364.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 (2.10.3-4.fc7) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1430 Lines: 37 On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 11:56 -0800, David Miller wrote: > From: Ingo Molnar > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:08:47 +0100 > > > In fact this thread is the very example: David points out that on netdev > > some of those bugs were already discussed and resolved. Had it been all > > on lkml we'd all be aware of it. > > That's a rediculious argument. > > One other reason these bugs are resolved, is that the networking > developers only need to subscribe to netdev and not have to listen to > all the noise on lkml. > > People who want to manage bugs know what list to look on and > contact about problems. > > Dumping even more crap on lkml is not the answer. I agree totally with David, and this goes for SCSI too. If it's not reported on linux-scsi, there's a significant chance of us missing the bug report. The fact that some people notice bugs go past on LKML and forward them to linux-scsi is a happy accident and not necessarily something to rely on. LKML has 10-20x the traffic of linux-scsi and a much smaller signal to noise ratio. Having a specialist list where all the experts in the field hangs out actually enhances our ability to fix bugs. James - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/