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From:   Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: I can't get contributors for my C project. Can you help?
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On Fri, Oct 06, 2023 at 07:18:20PM +0000, chaosesqueteam@yahoo.com wrote:
> Dear RMS;
>=20
> I've read that you are both a lisp and C developer. I cannot get any cont=
ributors for the longstanding C 3d engine I work on as part of my fully-fre=
e-software (including media) 3d game/architecture project. I've been workin=
g on it alone for 10 years but now have branched into supporting more 3d fi=
le types and can't do that alone.
>=20
> I've gone to "opensource" forums and gotten banned every single time for =
asking for help. Every single time. The message gets deleted. This is extre=
mely difficult: it's not like 20 years ago when communication was free. Obv=
s the "opensource" community is no longer interested in any collaboration o=
r development.
>=20
> The reason I wanted to find more contributors, is that I recently (last 2=
 years) programmed more file format support myself (wolfenstine:enemyterrit=
ory bsp support) and extended and fixed support for existing formats (obj f=
ile support for use as maps, and support for minetest and minecraft object =
exports as maps directly into the game, and BZFlag exported obj as maps (th=
ese didn't work at all before: now they do (bzflag and the engine previousl=
y had different opinions on what an obj file was mathmatically))). That ope=
ned up 600 3d maps with the bsp work, and then 1000s of obj files with the =
obj_to_mc work. So I felt I was on a roll. Sketchfab was "opened up" and lo=
ts of free-software-licensed terrain and such were easily used from there. =
It was nice. I wanted to keep going.
>=20
> I thought it might be possible to get unreal 97 and unreal tournament 99 =
3d map formats working: as there are tons of maps there and I used to make =
little 3d worlds using that format. The two main formats here are .t3d ; an=
 ascii format (like obj) but which requires CSG math, and .unr : a binary f=
ormat which pre-compiles the csg math down to vertex and face info; but is =
more complex a format.
>=20
> I found free software projects in C++ that tackle each (my project is in =
C): that could be used to learn the math. The t3d one even does the csg wor=
k. I just need to plead to you: please: I need contributors now. I did ever=
ything I could in these last 10 years under free-software licenses: made lo=
ts of maps, made tons of 3d models, made textures, game code (QuakeC), engi=
ne code (C). I extended the engine to beable to address up to 4 million ent=
ities, I programmed procedural map generation routines that allow creating =
cities out of nothing. I modeled tons of buildings, with both interiors, an=
d level-of-detail models; so you can explore cities and not just go on the =
ourside of buildings. I modeled vehicles, added vehicles, programmed vehicl=
es. I added 200 wps, and building code so players can do whatever they want=
 in this 3d platform: from architecture, city building, town building, to f=
ighting eachother, or racing cars, helicopters, to putting out fires. I've =
made music for it. All free software licensed.
>=20
> I just cannot get contributors. Every single place I post a plea for help=
 the thing is banned and deleted.
> The only thing I've gotten is people trying to take down the project beca=
use they're mad I dared asked for file format help or for another programme=
r to join.
> Can you and the free software people help?
>=20
> I've asked "opensource" they sad "banned" and "scram"
> So I turn to you. It's in C. Your language.
> Please.
> I beg of you.
>=20
> I can't do these file formats alone.
>=20
> ----------
> Here's a ticket of the issue: sourceforge.net/p/chaosesqueanthology/ticke=
ts/2/=C2=A0=C2=A0 ( #2 Please help with .t3d and .unr loading (3d world fil=
e types) )
> Here's a git of the source code: sourceforge.net/p/chaosesqueanthology/co=
de-t3d_attempt_engine/ci/master/tree/
> And here is a tarball of the source code: sourceforge.net/p/chaosesqueant=
hology/discussion/general/thread/72c4ff80c1/f23d/attachment/darkplaces_work=
ingon_sep_06_2023_aug19cde_SOURCEONLY.tar.gz
>=20
> I started in model_brush.c , added in a new file handler: void
> T3d_Attempt_Which_will_Mod_OBJ_Load(dp_model_t mod, void buffer,
> void *bufferend)
> and got it printing the vertex info of the t3d stuff.
>=20
> I found 2 free software projects that handle (in C++) the two file format=
s, and I asked them for help but no response: (.t3d) T3d2Map(C++): github.c=
om/mildred/t3d2map (.unr) UShock(C++): sourceforge.net/projects/ushock/
>=20
> So I just need help here.
> I cannot do this part of the engine coding alone.
> I know I did other formats: but it was alot of hacking and they weren't t=
oo different.
> But here: it would take me years since I'm a hacker (at best) and not a p=
rofessional file programmer.
>=20
> Please help. Is there anywhere I can ask? Everywhere seems shutdown, filt=
erd, and blocked, and very very unfriendly to any C dev requests.
> Hope you get well soon.
>=20
>=20

Seems like you have a userspace application issue. This ML (LKML) is for
Linux kernel development, not userspace. But if you want to contribute to
the kernel, you can apply for Outreachy program (see [1] for the announceme=
nt).

Bye!

[1]: https://lore.kernel.org/outreachy/alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2310020741050.31=
66@hadrien/

--=20
An old man doll... just what I always wanted! - Clara

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