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Shenoy" , x86@kernel.org References: <20230929183350.239721-1-mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com> <0f3cfff3-0df4-3cb7-95cb-ea378517e13b@efficios.com> <1ae6290c-843f-4e50-9c81-7146d3597ed3@efficios.com> From: Mathieu Desnoyers In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on fry.vger.email Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (fry.vger.email [0.0.0.0]); Thu, 12 Oct 2023 08:56:49 -0700 (PDT) On 2023-10-12 11:01, Vincent Guittot wrote: > On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 at 16:33, Mathieu Desnoyers > wrote: >> >> On 2023-10-11 06:16, Chen Yu wrote: >>> On 2023-10-10 at 09:49:54 -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote: >>>> On 2023-10-09 01:14, Chen Yu wrote: >>>>> On 2023-09-30 at 07:45:38 -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote: >>>>>> On 9/30/23 03:11, Chen Yu wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Mathieu, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2023-09-29 at 14:33:50 -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote: >>>>>>>> Introduce the WAKEUP_BIAS_PREV_IDLE scheduler feature. It biases >>>>>>>> select_task_rq towards the previous CPU if it was almost idle >>>>>>>> (avg_load <= 0.1%). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, this is a promising direction IMO. One question is that, >>>>>>> can cfs_rq->avg.load_avg be used for percentage comparison? >>>>>>> If I understand correctly, load_avg reflects that more than >>>>>>> 1 tasks could have been running this runqueue, and the >>>>>>> load_avg is the direct proportion to the load_weight of that >>>>>>> cfs_rq. Besides, LOAD_AVG_MAX seems to not be the max value >>>>>>> that load_avg can reach, it is the sum of >>>>>>> 1024 * (y + y^1 + y^2 ... ) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For example, >>>>>>> taskset -c 1 nice -n -20 stress -c 1 >>>>>>> cat /sys/kernel/debug/sched/debug | grep 'cfs_rq\[1\]' -A 12 | grep "\.load_avg" >>>>>>> .load_avg : 88763 >>>>>>> .load_avg : 1024 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 88763 is higher than LOAD_AVG_MAX=47742 >>>>>> >>>>>> I would have expected the load_avg to be limited to LOAD_AVG_MAX somehow, >>>>>> but it appears that it does not happen in practice. >>>>>> >>>>>> That being said, if the cutoff is really at 0.1% or 0.2% of the real max, >>>>>> does it really matter ? >>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe the util_avg can be used for precentage comparison I suppose? >>>>>> [...] >>>>>>> Or >>>>>>> return cpu_util_without(cpu_rq(cpu), p) * 1000 <= capacity_orig_of(cpu) ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Unfortunately using util_avg does not seem to work based on my testing. >>>>>> Even at utilization thresholds at 0.1%, 1% and 10%. >>>>>> >>>>>> Based on comments in fair.c: >>>>>> >>>>>> * CPU utilization is the sum of running time of runnable tasks plus the >>>>>> * recent utilization of currently non-runnable tasks on that CPU. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think we don't want to include currently non-runnable tasks in the >>>>>> statistics we use, because we are trying to figure out if the cpu is a >>>>>> idle-enough target based on the tasks which are currently running, for the >>>>>> purpose of runqueue selection when waking up a task which is considered at >>>>>> that point in time a non-runnable task on that cpu, and which is about to >>>>>> become runnable again. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Although LOAD_AVG_MAX is not the max possible load_avg, we still want to find >>>>> a proper threshold to decide if the CPU is almost idle. The LOAD_AVG_MAX >>>>> based threshold is modified a little bit: >>>>> >>>>> The theory is, if there is only 1 task on the CPU, and that task has a nice >>>>> of 0, the task runs 50 us every 1000 us, then this CPU is regarded as almost >>>>> idle. >>>>> >>>>> The load_sum of the task is: >>>>> 50 * (1 + y + y^2 + ... + y^n) >>>>> The corresponding avg_load of the task is approximately >>>>> NICE_0_WEIGHT * load_sum / LOAD_AVG_MAX = 50. >>>>> So: >>>>> >>>>> /* which is close to LOAD_AVG_MAX/1000 = 47 */ >>>>> #define ALMOST_IDLE_CPU_LOAD 50 >>>> >>>> Sorry to be slow at understanding this concept, but this whole "load" value >>>> is still somewhat magic to me. >>>> >>>> Should it vary based on CONFIG_HZ_{100,250,300,1000}, or is it independent ? >>>> Where is it documented that the load is a value in "us" out of a window of >>>> 1000 us ? >>>> >>> >>> My understanding is that, the load_sum of a single task is a value in "us" out >>> of a window of 1000 us, while the load_avg of the task will multiply the weight >>> of the task. In this case a task with nice 0 is NICE_0_WEIGHT = 1024. >>> >>> __update_load_avg_se -> ___update_load_sum calculate the load_sum of a task(there >>> is comments around ___update_load_sum to describe the pelt calculation), >>> and ___update_load_avg() calculate the load_avg based on the task's weight. >> >> Thanks for your thorough explanation, now it makes sense. >> >> I understand as well that the cfs_rq->avg.load_sum is the result of summing >> each task load_sum multiplied by their weight: > > Please don't use load_sum but only *_avg. > As already said, util_avg or runnable_avg are better metrics for you I think I found out why using util_avg was not working for me. Considering this comment from cpu_util(): * CPU utilization is the sum of running time of runnable tasks plus the * recent utilization of currently non-runnable tasks on that CPU. I don't want to include the recent utilization of currently non-runnable tasks on that CPU in order to choose that CPU to do task placement in a context where many tasks were recently running on that cpu (but are currently blocked). I do not want those blocked tasks to be part of the avg. So I think the issue here is that I was using the cpu_util() (and cpu_util_without()) helpers which are considering max(util, runnable), rather than just "util". Based on your comments, just doing this to match a rq util_avg <= 1% (10us of 1024us) seems to work fine: return cpu_rq(cpu)->cfs.avg.util_avg <= 10 * capacity_of(cpu); Is this approach acceptable ? Thanks! Mathieu > >> >> static inline void >> enqueue_load_avg(struct cfs_rq *cfs_rq, struct sched_entity *se) >> { >> cfs_rq->avg.load_avg += se->avg.load_avg; >> cfs_rq->avg.load_sum += se_weight(se) * se->avg.load_sum; >> } >> >> Therefore I think we need to multiply the load_sum value we aim for by >> get_pelt_divider(&cpu_rq(cpu)->cfs.avg) to compare it to a rq load_sum. >> >> I plan to compare the rq load sum to "10 * get_pelt_divider(&cpu_rq(cpu)->cfs.avg)" >> to match runqueues which were previously idle (therefore with prior periods contribution >> to the rq->load_sum being pretty much zero), and which have a current period rq load_sum >> below or equal 10us per 1024us (<= 1%): >> >> static inline unsigned long cfs_rq_weighted_load_sum(struct cfs_rq *cfs_rq) >> { >> return cfs_rq->avg.load_sum; >> } >> >> static unsigned long cpu_weighted_load_sum(struct rq *rq) >> { >> return cfs_rq_weighted_load_sum(&rq->cfs); >> } >> >> /* >> * A runqueue is considered almost idle if: >> * >> * cfs_rq->avg.load_sum / get_pelt_divider(&cfs_rq->avg) / 1024 <= 1% >> * >> * This inequality is transformed as follows to minimize arithmetic: >> * >> * cfs_rq->avg.load_sum <= get_pelt_divider(&cfs_rq->avg) * 10 >> */ >> static bool >> almost_idle_cpu(int cpu, struct task_struct *p) >> { >> if (!sched_feat(WAKEUP_BIAS_PREV_IDLE)) >> return false; >> return cpu_weighted_load_sum(cpu_rq(cpu)) <= 10 * get_pelt_divider(&cpu_rq(cpu)->cfs.avg); >> } >> >> Does it make sense ? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mathieu >> >> >>> >>>> And with this value "50", it would cover the case where there is only a >>>> single task taking less than 50us per 1000us, and cases where the sum for >>>> the set of tasks on the runqueue is taking less than 50us per 1000us >>>> overall. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> static bool >>>>> almost_idle_cpu(int cpu, struct task_struct *p) >>>>> { >>>>> if (!sched_feat(WAKEUP_BIAS_PREV_IDLE)) >>>>> return false; >>>>> return cpu_load_without(cpu_rq(cpu), p) <= ALMOST_IDLE_CPU_LOAD; >>>>> } >>>>> >>>>> Tested this on Intel Xeon Platinum 8360Y, Ice Lake server, 36 core/package, >>>>> total 72 core/144 CPUs. Slight improvement is observed in hackbench socket mode: >>>>> >>>>> socket mode: >>>>> hackbench -g 16 -f 20 -l 480000 -s 100 >>>>> >>>>> Before patch: >>>>> Running in process mode with 16 groups using 40 file descriptors each (== 640 tasks) >>>>> Each sender will pass 480000 messages of 100 bytes >>>>> Time: 81.084 >>>>> >>>>> After patch: >>>>> Running in process mode with 16 groups using 40 file descriptors each (== 640 tasks) >>>>> Each sender will pass 480000 messages of 100 bytes >>>>> Time: 78.083 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> pipe mode: >>>>> hackbench -g 16 -f 20 --pipe -l 480000 -s 100 >>>>> >>>>> Before patch: >>>>> Running in process mode with 16 groups using 40 file descriptors each (== 640 tasks) >>>>> Each sender will pass 480000 messages of 100 bytes >>>>> Time: 38.219 >>>>> >>>>> After patch: >>>>> Running in process mode with 16 groups using 40 file descriptors each (== 640 tasks) >>>>> Each sender will pass 480000 messages of 100 bytes >>>>> Time: 38.348 >>>>> >>>>> It suggests that, if the workload has larger working-set/cache footprint, waking up >>>>> the task on its previous CPU could get more benefit. >>>> >>>> In those tests, what is the average % of idleness of your cpus ? >>>> >>> >>> For hackbench -g 16 -f 20 --pipe -l 480000 -s 100, it is around 8~10% idle >>> For hackbench -g 16 -f 20 -l 480000 -s 100, it is around 2~3% idle >>> >>> Then the CPUs in packge 1 are offlined to get stable result when the group number is low. >>> hackbench -g 1 -f 20 --pipe -l 480000 -s 100 >>> Some CPUs are busy, others are idle, and some are half-busy. >>> Core CPU Busy% >>> - - 49.57 >>> 0 0 1.89 >>> 0 72 75.55 >>> 1 1 100.00 >>> 1 73 0.00 >>> 2 2 100.00 >>> 2 74 0.00 >>> 3 3 100.00 >>> 3 75 0.01 >>> 4 4 78.29 >>> 4 76 17.72 >>> 5 5 100.00 >>> 5 77 0.00 >>> >>> >>> hackbench -g 1 -f 20 -l 480000 -s 100 >>> Core CPU Busy% >>> - - 48.29 >>> 0 0 57.94 >>> 0 72 21.41 >>> 1 1 83.28 >>> 1 73 0.00 >>> 2 2 11.44 >>> 2 74 83.38 >>> 3 3 21.45 >>> 3 75 77.27 >>> 4 4 26.89 >>> 4 76 80.95 >>> 5 5 5.01 >>> 5 77 83.09 >>> >>> >>> echo NO_WAKEUP_BIAS_PREV_IDLE > /sys/kernel/debug/sched/features >>> hackbench -g 1 -f 20 --pipe -l 480000 -s 100 >>> Running in process mode with 1 groups using 40 file descriptors each (== 40 tasks) >>> Each sender will pass 480000 messages of 100 bytes >>> Time: 9.434 >>> >>> echo WAKEUP_BIAS_PREV_IDLE > /sys/kernel/debug/sched/features >>> hackbench -g 1 -f 20 --pipe -l 480000 -s 100 >>> Running in process mode with 1 groups using 40 file descriptors each (== 40 tasks) >>> Each sender will pass 480000 messages of 100 bytes >>> Time: 9.373 >>> >>> thanks, >>> Chenyu >> >> -- >> Mathieu Desnoyers >> EfficiOS Inc. >> https://www.efficios.com >> -- Mathieu Desnoyers EfficiOS Inc. https://www.efficios.com