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Date:   Thu, 12 Oct 2023 11:31:16 -0700
From:   Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To:     Sami Tolvanen <samitolvanen@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 25/27] x86: enable initial Rust support
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On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 10:50:36AM -0700, Sami Tolvanen wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 3:47 AM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 11:34:30AM -0700, Sami Tolvanen wrote:
> > > On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 11:05 AM Miguel Ojeda
> > > <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 1:16 AM Sami Tolvanen <samitolvanen@google.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Rust supports IBT with -Z cf-protection=branch, but I don't see this
> > > > > option being enabled in the kernel yet. Cross-language CFI is going to
> > > > > require a lot more work though because the type systems are not quite
> > > > > compatible:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs/pull/3296
> > > >
> > > > I have pinged Ramon de C Valle as he is the author of the RFC above
> > > > and implementation work too; since a month or so ago he also leads the
> > > > Exploit Mitigations Project Group in Rust.
> > >
> > > Thanks, Miguel. I also talked to Ramon about KCFI earlier this week
> > > and he expressed interest in helping with rustc support for it. In the
> > > meanwhile, I think we can just add a depends on !CFI_CLANG to avoid
> > > issues here.
> >
> > Having just read up on the thing it looks like the KCFI thing is
> > resolved.
> >
> > I'm not sure I understand most of the objections in that thread through
> > -- enabling CFI *will* break stuff, so what.
> >
> > Squashing the integer types seems a workable compromise I suppose. One
> > thing that's been floated in the past is adding a 'seed' attribute to
> > some functions in order to distinguish functions of otherwise identical
> > signature.
> >
> > The Rust thing would then also need to support this attribute.
> >
> > Are there any concrete plans for this? It would allow, for example,
> > to differentiate address_space_operations::swap_deactivate() from any
> > other random function that takes only a file argument, say:
> > locks_remove_file().
> 
> I haven't really had time to look into it, so no concrete plans yet.
> Adding an attribute shouldn't be terribly difficult, but Kees
> expressed interest in automatic salting as well, which might be a more
> involved project:
> 
> https://github.com/ClangBuiltLinux/linux/issues/1736

Automatic would be nice, but having an attribute would let us at least
start the process manually (or apply salting from static analysis
output, etc).

-Kees

-- 
Kees Cook