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From:   =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_=C5=BBenczykowski?= <maze@google.com>
Date:   Fri, 13 Oct 2023 11:40:43 -0700
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] usb: gadget: ncm: Add support to update
 wMaxSegmentSize via configfs
To:     Krishna Kurapati PSSNV <quic_kriskura@quicinc.com>
Cc:     Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
        onathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
        Linyu Yuan <quic_linyyuan@quicinc.com>,
        linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
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On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 11:39=E2=80=AFAM Maciej =C5=BBenczykowski <maze@goo=
gle.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 8:40=E2=80=AFAM Krishna Kurapati PSSNV
> <quic_kriskura@quicinc.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/12/2023 6:02 PM, Maciej =C5=BBenczykowski wrote:
> > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 1:48=E2=80=AFAM Krishna Kurapati PSSNV
> > >
> > > Could you paste the full patch?
> > > This is hard to review without looking at much more context then emai=
l
> > > is providing
> > > (or, even better, send me a link to a CL in gerrit somewhere - for
> > > example aosp ACK mainline tree)
> >
> > Sure. Will provide a gerrit on ACK for review before posting v2.
> >
> > The intent of posting the diff was two fold:
> >
> > 1. The question Greg asked regarding why the max segment size was
> > limited to 15014 was valid. When I thought about it, I actually wanted
> > to limit the max MTU to 15000, so the max segment size automatically
> > needs to be limited to 15014.
>
> Note that this is a *very* abstract value.
> I get you want L3 MTU of 10 * 1500, but this value is not actually meanin=
gful.
>
> IPv4/IPv6 fragmentation and IPv4/IPv6 TCP segmentation
> do not result in a trivial multiplication of the standard 1500 byte
> ethernet L3 MTU.
> Indeed aggregating 2 1500 L3 mtu frames results in *different* sized
> frames depending on which type of aggregation you do.
> (and for tcp it even depends on the number and size of tcp options,
> though it is often assumed that those take up 12 bytes, since that's the
> normal for Linux-to-Linux tcp connections)
>
> For example if you aggregate N standard Linux ipv6/tcp L3 1500 mtu frames=
,
> this means you have
> N frames: ethernet (14) + ipv6 (40) + tcp (20) + tcp options (12) +
> payload (1500-12-20-40=3D1500-72=3D1428)
> post aggregation:
> 1 frame: ethernet (14) + ipv6 (40) + tcp (20) + tcp options (12) +
> payload (N*1428)
>
> so N * 1500 =3D=3D N * (72 + 1428) --> 1 * (72 + N * 1428)

As you can see, for N=3D10, this isn't 15000, it's 72+10*1428 =3D 14352

>
> That value of 72 is instead 52 for 'standard Linux ipv4/tcp),
> it's 40/60 if there's no tcp options (which I think happens when
> talking to windows)
> it's different still with ipv4 fragmentation... and again different
> with ipv6 fragmentation...
> etc.
>
> ie. 15000 L3 mtu is exactly as meaningless as 14000 L3 mtu.
> Either way you don't get full frames.
>
> As such I'd recommend going with whatever is the largest mtu that can
> be meaningfully made to fit in 16K with all the NCM header overhead.
> That's likely closer to 15500-16000 (though I have *not* checked).
>
> > But my commit text didn't mention this
> > properly which was a mistake on my behalf. But when I looked at the
> > code, limiting the max segment size 15014 would force the practical
> > max_mtu to not cross 15000 although theoretical max_mtu was set to:
> > (GETHER_MAX_MTU_SIZE - 15412) during registration of net device.
> >
> > So my assumption of limiting it to 15000 was wrong. It must be limited
> > to 15412 as mentioned in u_ether.c  This inturn means we must limit
> > max_segment_size to:
> > GETHER_MAX_ETH_FRAME_LEN (GETHER_MAX_MTU_SIZE + ETH_HLEN)
> > as mentioned in u_ether.c.
> >
> > I wanted to confirm that setting MAX_DATAGRAM_SIZE to
> > GETHER_MAX_ETH_FRAME_LEN was correct.
> >
> > 2. I am not actually able to test with MTU beyond 15000. When my host
> > device is a linux machine, the cdc_ncm.c limits max_segment_size to:
> > CDC_NCM_MAX_DATAGRAM_SIZE               8192    /* bytes */
>
> In practice you get 50% of the benefits of infinitely large mtu by
> going from 1500 to ~2980.
> you get 75% of the benefits by going to ~6K
> you get 87.5% of the benefits by going to ~12K
> the benefits of going even higher are smaller and smaller...
>
> If the host side is limited to 8192, maybe we should match that here too?
>
> But the host side limitation of 8192 doesn't seem particularly sane eithe=
r...
> Maybe we should relax that instead?
>
> (especially since for things like tcp zero copy you want an mtu which
> is slighly more then N * 4096,
> ie. around 4.5KB, 8.5KB, 12.5KB or something like that)
>
> > When connected to windows machine, I am able to set the mtu to a max
> > value of 15000. So not sure how to test the patch if I set the
> > max_segment_size to GETHER_MAX_ETH_FRAME_LEN.
> >
> > By pasting the diff, I wanted to confirm both the above queries.
> >
> > And you are right, while assigning value to ecm.wMaxSegmentSize, we mus=
t
> > use cpu_to_le16(...). Will ensure to make this change in v2. It worked
> > without that too, not sure how.Maciej =C5=BBenczykowski, Kernel Network=
ing Developer @ Google