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[2620:137:e000::3:7]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s27-20020a63925b000000b005ac958aa98esi2421824pgn.797.2023.10.18.09.41.31 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 18 Oct 2023 09:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::3:7 as permitted sender) client-ip=2620:137:e000::3:7; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20230601 header.b=arX6Y0Ih; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::3:7 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Received: from out1.vger.email (depot.vger.email [IPv6:2620:137:e000::3:0]) by snail.vger.email (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249E3816693D; Wed, 18 Oct 2023 09:41:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.103.10 at snail.vger.email Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S229965AbjJRQlZ (ORCPT + 99 others); Wed, 18 Oct 2023 12:41:25 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:46450 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229482AbjJRQlY (ORCPT ); Wed, 18 Oct 2023 12:41:24 -0400 Received: from mail-yw1-x112b.google.com (mail-yw1-x112b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::112b]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C53A1111; Wed, 18 Oct 2023 09:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yw1-x112b.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-5a7fb84f6ceso86447857b3.1; Wed, 18 Oct 2023 09:41:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1697647282; x=1698252082; darn=vger.kernel.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=E3VlPSQFKxSvHpa9DFEsMWBHHBdkSCrb3dmsVnDHyyA=; b=arX6Y0IhMW/ZCvW60tvyCbV6TUELxWfTx5hv/ER2NYbaYdIkl79OghfvzPwVPrpQ1k fD2filkQqLqGYWXS+Hk5la+AGXuRZKSjovyBeoPsqYh5/Ra6HgJ0VDLAUR3G5zRLQp6k zKToUIUDCK7zZ5SLs8Yl5zoItF5jStGauePiOVzRxh/qPhaowkElQEgjmocf1x0A2lYI XXWpzKMGqfIA4YUQTEH5RixObUEVLfQ5tZw/Khs4/uKA6AC8RwV534uOYmYF3JRjirLk 9KOcJ2BXfdieUv2YzRgDyli+hXGORSvZLblg62WX96QctMPAW1wdWyC99InBDeOnSjuw +yiw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1697647282; x=1698252082; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=E3VlPSQFKxSvHpa9DFEsMWBHHBdkSCrb3dmsVnDHyyA=; b=LYfIOjeoKfCGYqiLXgQJltLrcNVRM5LUO8YT3f5MN2wknkXFWP/OXzVRk7BaMzzwS9 hIqVXOxFi0NZ02quvWocs9O2mCZNJw09Hi6znciScgFF4V2y+DJQjLONujVzaocgXxWz 2r8jhP/X5OEfvDsuHzbiDJXgTpjyU/h9u192dd04QI4xJu8dz9OTP4leog642/ePjGDS OKb9hIiLk6SrF/MyeBo+3rBtB93gyU6pZUhTdajdfSBR4DrdBsCpKXT8AAPhwA54Yfqs 1ZOZ/BMQMTcmY4Q6AKMWju6mjRXBUO+Mt0jWDuDanAGvQxL+Kwt2aWAi2xL/DOUVG9gU rcuQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yz3JwIfYZzYIWkM/15wTq6V9o0b2GfxtzSjGnMJWa673zXqh1Sv Vc6HjkuOK+jy8/75orlf/l13OlgJBLPYBdTd3wo= X-Received: by 2002:a05:690c:d89:b0:5a7:aa7f:17d5 with SMTP id da9-20020a05690c0d8900b005a7aa7f17d5mr7105458ywb.11.1697647281835; Wed, 18 Oct 2023 09:41:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20231018160922.1018962-1-ojeda@kernel.org> In-Reply-To: From: Miguel Ojeda Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2023 18:41:10 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PATCH] docs: rust: add "The Rust experiment" section To: Andrew Lunn Cc: Miguel Ojeda , Jonathan Corbet , Wedson Almeida Filho , Alex Gaynor , Boqun Feng , Gary Guo , =?UTF-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn_Roy_Baron?= , Benno Lossin , Andreas Hindborg , Alice Ryhl , linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, patches@lists.linux.dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on lindbergh.monkeyblade.net Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (snail.vger.email [0.0.0.0]); Wed, 18 Oct 2023 09:41:31 -0700 (PDT) On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 6:27=E2=80=AFPM Andrew Lunn wrote: > > It very unlikely end users read this document. We can add a note to the Kconfig symbol too -- would that be OK with you? > And that statement is > not limited to end users, it is true for everybody. Agreed, but that bit is meant to emphasize that end users do not have a reason to use it at all (unlike kernel developers etc. from the previous paragraph) > What we should be saying is that Rust for the Linux kernel in general > is not ready for production use. Developing drivers in Rust is > currently for experimentation only. Given the experimental nature of > the work, there is some risk Rust will never be ready for production > use. The risk is that Rust gets dropped from the kernel because it is not used enough, not so much that there is a fundamental problem to solve in order to reach production. Cheers, Miguel