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Subject: Re: [PATCH] arm64: mm: drop tlb flush operation when clearing the
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To:     Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>
Cc:     Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
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On 10/26/23 11:24, Barry Song wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 12:55 PM Anshuman Khandual
> <anshuman.khandual@arm.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/24/23 18:26, Baolin Wang wrote:
>>> Now ptep_clear_flush_young() is only called by folio_referenced() to
>>> check if the folio was referenced, and now it will call a tlb flush on
>>> ARM64 architecture. However the tlb flush can be expensive on ARM64
>>> servers, especially for the systems with a large CPU numbers.
>>
>> TLB flush would be expensive on *any* platform with large CPU numbers ?
>>
>>>
>>> Similar to the x86 architecture, below comments also apply equally to
>>> ARM64 architecture. So we can drop the tlb flush operation in
>>> ptep_clear_flush_young() on ARM64 architecture to improve the performance.
>>> "
>>> /* Clearing the accessed bit without a TLB flush
>>>  * doesn't cause data corruption. [ It could cause incorrect
>>>  * page aging and the (mistaken) reclaim of hot pages, but the
>>>  * chance of that should be relatively low. ]
>>>  *
>>>  * So as a performance optimization don't flush the TLB when
>>>  * clearing the accessed bit, it will eventually be flushed by
>>>  * a context switch or a VM operation anyway. [ In the rare
>>>  * event of it not getting flushed for a long time the delay
>>>  * shouldn't really matter because there's no real memory
>>>  * pressure for swapout to react to. ]
>>>  */
>>
>> If always true, this sounds generic enough for all platforms, why only
>> x86 and arm64 ?
>>
>>> "
>>> Running the thpscale to show some obvious improvements for compaction
>>> latency with this patch:
>>>                              base                   patched
>>> Amean     fault-both-1      1093.19 (   0.00%)     1084.57 *   0.79%*
>>> Amean     fault-both-3      2566.22 (   0.00%)     2228.45 *  13.16%*
>>> Amean     fault-both-5      3591.22 (   0.00%)     3146.73 *  12.38%*
>>> Amean     fault-both-7      4157.26 (   0.00%)     4113.67 *   1.05%*
>>> Amean     fault-both-12     6184.79 (   0.00%)     5218.70 *  15.62%*
>>> Amean     fault-both-18     9103.70 (   0.00%)     7739.71 *  14.98%*
>>> Amean     fault-both-24    12341.73 (   0.00%)    10684.23 *  13.43%*
>>> Amean     fault-both-30    15519.00 (   0.00%)    13695.14 *  11.75%*
>>> Amean     fault-both-32    16189.15 (   0.00%)    14365.73 *  11.26%*
>>>                        base       patched
>>> Duration User         167.78      161.03
>>> Duration System      1836.66     1673.01
>>> Duration Elapsed     2074.58     2059.75
>>
>> Could you please point to the test repo you are running ?
>>
>>>
>>> Barry Song submitted a similar patch [1] before, that replaces the
>>> ptep_clear_flush_young_notify() with ptep_clear_young_notify() in
>>> folio_referenced_one(). However, I'm not sure if removing the tlb flush
>>> operation is applicable to every architecture in kernel, so dropping
>>> the tlb flush for ARM64 seems a sensible change.
>>
>> The reasoning provided here sounds generic when true, hence there seems
>> to be no justification to keep it limited just for arm64 and x86. Also
>> what about pmdp_clear_flush_young_notify() when THP is enabled. Should
>> that also not do a TLB flush after clearing access bit ? Although arm64
>> does not enable __HAVE_ARCH_PMDP_CLEAR_YOUNG_FLUSH, rather depends on
>> the generic pmdp_clear_flush_young() which also does a TLB flush via
>> flush_pmd_tlb_range() while clearing the access bit.
>>
>>>
>>> Note: I am okay for both approach, if someone can help to ensure that
>>> all architectures do not need the tlb flush when clearing the accessed
>>> bit, then I also think Barry's patch is better (hope Barry can resend
>>> his patch).
>>
>> This paragraph belongs after the '----' below and not part of the commit
>> message.
>>
>>>
>>> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220617070555.344368-1-21cnbao@gmail.com/
>>> Signed-off-by: Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>
>>> ---
>>>  arch/arm64/include/asm/pgtable.h | 31 ++++++++++++++++---------------
>>>  1 file changed, 16 insertions(+), 15 deletions(-)
>>>
>>> diff --git a/arch/arm64/include/asm/pgtable.h b/arch/arm64/include/asm/pgtable.h
>>> index 0bd18de9fd97..2979d796ba9d 100644
>>> --- a/arch/arm64/include/asm/pgtable.h
>>> +++ b/arch/arm64/include/asm/pgtable.h
>>> @@ -905,21 +905,22 @@ static inline int ptep_test_and_clear_young(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
>>>  static inline int ptep_clear_flush_young(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
>>>                                        unsigned long address, pte_t *ptep)
>>>  {
>>> -     int young = ptep_test_and_clear_young(vma, address, ptep);
>>> -
>>> -     if (young) {
>>> -             /*
>>> -              * We can elide the trailing DSB here since the worst that can
>>> -              * happen is that a CPU continues to use the young entry in its
>>> -              * TLB and we mistakenly reclaim the associated page. The
>>> -              * window for such an event is bounded by the next
>>> -              * context-switch, which provides a DSB to complete the TLB
>>> -              * invalidation.
>>> -              */
>>> -             flush_tlb_page_nosync(vma, address);
>>> -     }
>>> -
>>> -     return young;
>>> +     /*
>>> +      * This comment is borrowed from x86, but applies equally to ARM64:
>>> +      *
>>> +      * Clearing the accessed bit without a TLB flush doesn't cause
>>> +      * data corruption. [ It could cause incorrect page aging and
>>> +      * the (mistaken) reclaim of hot pages, but the chance of that
>>> +      * should be relatively low. ]
>>> +      *
>>> +      * So as a performance optimization don't flush the TLB when
>>> +      * clearing the accessed bit, it will eventually be flushed by
>>> +      * a context switch or a VM operation anyway. [ In the rare
>>> +      * event of it not getting flushed for a long time the delay
>>> +      * shouldn't really matter because there's no real memory
>>> +      * pressure for swapout to react to. ]
>>> +      */
>>> +     return ptep_test_and_clear_young(vma, address, ptep);
>>>  }
>>>
>>>  #ifdef CONFIG_TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE
>>
>> There are three distinct concerns here
>>
>> 1) What are the chances of this misleading existing hot page reclaim process
>> 2) How secondary MMU such as SMMU adapt to change in mappings without a flush
>> 3) Could this break the architecture rule requiring a TLB flush after access
>>    bit clear on a page table entry
> 
> In terms of all of above concerns,  though 2 is different, which is an
> issue between
> cpu and non-cpu,
> i feel kernel has actually dropped tlb flush at least for mglru, there
> is no flush in
> lru_gen_look_around(),
> 
> static bool folio_referenced_one(struct folio *folio,
>                 struct vm_area_struct *vma, unsigned long address, void *arg)
> {
>         ...
> 
>                 if (pvmw.pte) {
>                         if (lru_gen_enabled() &&
>                             pte_young(ptep_get(pvmw.pte))) {
>                                 lru_gen_look_around(&pvmw);
>                                 referenced++;
>                         }
> 
>                         if (ptep_clear_flush_young_notify(vma, address,
>                                                 pvmw.pte))
>                                 referenced++;
>                 }
> 
>         return true;
> }
> 
> and so is in walk_pte_range() of vmscan.  linux has been surviving with
> all above concerns for a while, believing it or not :-)

Although the first two concerns could be worked upon in the SW, kernel surviving
after breaking arch rules explicitly is not a correct state to be in IMHO.