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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIMWL_WL_HIGH,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on groat.vger.email Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (groat.vger.email [0.0.0.0]); Fri, 27 Oct 2023 13:09:20 -0700 (PDT) On 27/10/2023 8:29 pm, Borislav Petkov wrote: > On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 09:16:33PM +0200, Borislav Petkov wrote: >> Thus the more conservative approach here. > And on a second thought, I don't need any of that new stuff - I simply > need a synthetic flag which says "MSRs need fencing" and set it on > everything but AMD and Hygon. And we've solved this type of issue > gazillion times already - why am I reinventing the wheel?! Quoteth the APM (rev 3.41, June 2023): 16.11.2 WRMSR / RDMSR serialization for x2APIC Register The WRMSR instruction is used to write the APIC register set in x2APIC mode. Normally WRMSR is a serializing instruction, however when accessing x2APIC registers, the serializing aspect of WRMSR is relaxed to allow for more efficient access to those registers. Consequently, a WRMSR write to an x2APIC register may complete before older store operations are complete and have become globally visible. When strong ordering of an x2APIC write access is required with respect to preceding memory operations, software can insert a serializing instruction (such as MFENCE) before the WRMSR instruction. So which is right?  This commit message, or the APM?  (and yes, if you're waiting on an APM update then the commit message should at least note that one is coming.) But, to the issue at hand. There are other non-serialising MSRs on AMD CPUs, including the FS/GS base MSRs on more modern parts which is enumerated in 8000_0021.eax[1]. So there isn't a boolean "MSRs need fencing, yes/no".  It is vendor *and* model specific as to whether a particular MSR is serialising or non-serialising. *And* it's vendor specific as to what the fencing sequence is.  Intel require mfence;lfence, while on AMD, mfence suffices. Most MSR writes don't want to be architecturally serialising, and Intel are introducing WRMSRNS for this purpose.  But ICR writes *do* need to be ordered with respect to stores becoming globally visible, and it was an error for MSR_X2APIC_ICR to be specified as non-serialising. The only sanity-preserving (pseudo) API for this is something like: vendor_msr_fence = { mfence;lfence (Intel) | mfence (AMD, Hygon) | ... } and for each MSR separately, something like: ALTERNATIVE("", vendor_msr_fence, $VENDOR_NEEDS_MSR_$X_FENCE); because that's the only one which properly separates "what fence to use" and "do I need to fence this MSR on the current vendor". ~Andrew