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On 11/06, Willem de Bruijn wrote:
> > > IMHO, we need a better UAPI to receive the tokens and give them back to
> > > the kernel. CMSG + setsockopt(SO_DEVMEM_DONTNEED) get the job done,
> > > but look dated and hacky :-(
> > >
> > > We should either do some kind of user/kernel shared memory queue to
> > > receive/return the tokens (similar to what Jonathan was doing in his
> > > proposal?)
> >
> > I'll take a look at Jonathan's proposal, sorry, I'm not immediately
> > familiar but I wanted to respond :-) But is the suggestion here to
> > build a new kernel-user communication channel primitive for the
> > purpose of passing the information in the devmem cmsg? IMHO that seems
> > like an overkill. Why add 100-200 lines of code to the kernel to add
> > something that can already be done with existing primitives? I don't
> > see anything concretely wrong with cmsg & setsockopt approach, and if
> > we switch to something I'd prefer to switch to an existing primitive
> > for simplicity?
> >
> > The only other existing primitive to pass data outside of the linear
> > buffer is the MSG_ERRQUEUE that is used for zerocopy. Is that
> > preferred? Any other suggestions or existing primitives I'm not aware
> > of?
> >
> > > or bite the bullet and switch to io_uring.
> > >
> >
> > IMO io_uring & socket support are orthogonal, and one doesn't preclude
> > the other. As you know we like to use sockets and I believe there are
> > issues with io_uring adoption at Google that I'm not familiar with
> > (and could be wrong). I'm interested in exploring io_uring support as
> > a follow up but I think David Wei will be interested in io_uring
> > support as well anyway.
> 
> I also disagree that we need to replace a standard socket interface
> with something "faster", in quotes.
> 
> This interface is not the bottleneck to the target workload.
> 
> Replacing the synchronous sockets interface with something more
> performant for workloads where it is, is an orthogonal challenge.
> However we do that, I think that traditional sockets should continue
> to be supported.
> 
> The feature may already even work with io_uring, as both recvmsg with
> cmsg and setsockopt have io_uring support now.

I'm not really concerned with faster. I would prefer something cleaner :-)

Or maybe we should just have it documented. With some kind of path
towards beautiful world where we can create dynamic queues..