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Date:   Sat, 18 Nov 2023 09:38:49 -0800
From:   Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To:     Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v4] hv_netvsc: Mark VF as slave before exposing
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On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 08:14:06 -0800 Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> Jakub is right that in an ideal world, this could all be managed by
> userspace. But the management of network devices in Linux is a
> dumpster fire! Every distro invents there own solution, last time
> I counted there were six different tools claiming to be the
> "one network device manager to rule them all". And that doesn't
> include all the custom scripts and vendor appliances.

To be clear, I thought Long Li was saying that the goal is work around
cases where VF is probed before netvsc. That seems like something that
can be prevented by the hypervisor.