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From:   Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>
Date:   Thu, 30 Nov 2023 13:52:26 -0800
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Add swappiness argument to memory.reclaim
To:     Dan Schatzberg <schatzberg.dan@gmail.com>
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On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 1:37=E2=80=AFPM Dan Schatzberg <schatzberg.dan@gmai=
l.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 12:30:27PM -0800, Shakeel Butt wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 11:47=E2=80=AFAM Dan Schatzberg
> > <schatzberg.dan@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 11:56:42AM -0500, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> > > > [...]
> > > > So I wouldn't say it's merely a reclaim hint. It controls a very
> > > > concrete and influential factor in VM decision making. And since th=
e
> > > > global swappiness is long-established ABI, I don't expect its meani=
ng
> > > > to change significantly any time soon.
> > >
> > > I want to add to this last point. While swappiness does not have
> > > terribly well-defined semantics - it is the (only?) existing mechanis=
m
> > > to control balance between anon and file reclaim. I'm merely
> > > advocating for the ability to adjust swappiness during proactive
> > > reclaim separately from reactive reclaim. To what degree the behavior
> > > and semantics of swappiness change is a bit orthogonal here.
> >
> > Let me ask my question in this chain as it might have been missed:
> >
> > Whatever the semantics of swappiness are (including the edge cases
> > like no swap, file_is_tiny, trim cache), should the reclaim code treat
> > the global swappiness and user-provided swappiness differently?
>
> I can't think of any reason why we would want swappiness interpreted
> differently if it's provided at proactive reclaim time vs
> globally. Did you have something in mind here?

Nah just wanted to know what you are aiming for.