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[66.111.4.228]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i15-20020a0cf38f000000b0067a4059068dsm1299513qvk.139.2023.12.01.01.19.17 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 01 Dec 2023 01:19:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailauth.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9811527C005B; Fri, 1 Dec 2023 04:19:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 01 Dec 2023 04:19:17 -0500 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvkedrudeiledgtdefucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepfffhvfevuffkfhggtggujgesthdtredttddtvdenucfhrhhomhepuehoqhhu nhcuhfgvnhhguceosghoqhhunhdrfhgvnhhgsehgmhgrihhlrdgtohhmqeenucggtffrrg htthgvrhhnpeelueeiffdugeeliedvjeethfettdeiffffueeiffelhfejgefghedtjedv ffffhfenucffohhmrghinhepghhithhhuhgsrdgtohhmpddttddttddqihhnlhhinhgvqd grshhmrdhmugenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhr ohhmpegsohhquhhnodhmvghsmhhtphgruhhthhhpvghrshhonhgrlhhithihqdeiledvge ehtdeigedqudejjeekheehhedvqdgsohhquhhnrdhfvghngheppehgmhgrihhlrdgtohhm sehfihigmhgvrdhnrghmvg X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: iad51458e:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Fri, 1 Dec 2023 04:19:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2023 01:19:14 -0800 From: Boqun Feng To: Peter Zijlstra Cc: Matthew Wilcox , Alice Ryhl , Miguel Ojeda , Alex Gaynor , Wedson Almeida Filho , Gary Guo , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn?= Roy Baron , Benno Lossin , Andreas Hindborg , Alexander Viro , Christian Brauner , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Arve =?iso-8859-1?B?SGr4bm5lduVn?= , Todd Kjos , Martijn Coenen , Joel Fernandes , Carlos Llamas , Suren Baghdasaryan , Dan Williams , Kees Cook , Thomas Gleixner , Daniel Xu , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Josh Triplett Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/7] rust: file: add Rust abstraction for `struct file` Message-ID: References: <20231129-alice-file-v1-0-f81afe8c7261@google.com> <20231129-alice-file-v1-1-f81afe8c7261@google.com> <20231129152305.GB23596@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20231130104226.GB20191@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20231201085328.GE3818@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20231201085328.GE3818@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on groat.vger.email Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (groat.vger.email [0.0.0.0]); Fri, 01 Dec 2023 01:19:35 -0800 (PST) On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 09:53:28AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 07:25:01AM -0800, Boqun Feng wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 11:42:26AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 09:08:14AM -0800, Boqun Feng wrote: > > > > > > > But but but, I then realized we have asm goto in C but Rust doesn't > > > > support them, and I haven't thought through how hard tht would be.. > > > > > > You're kidding right? > > > > > > > I'm not, but I've found this: > > > > https://github.com/Amanieu/rfcs/blob/inline-asm/text/0000-inline-asm.md#asm-goto > > Reading that makes all this even worse, apparently rust can't even use > memops. What do you mean by "memops"? Regards, Boqun > > So to summarise, Rust cannot properly interop with C, it cannot do > inline asm from this side of the millenium. Why are we even trying to > use it again?