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Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:36:18 -0000
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From: "Metzger, Markus T" <markus.t.metzger@intel.com>
To: "Andi Kleen" <ak@suse.de>
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>From: Andi Kleen [mailto:ak@suse.de] 
>Sent: Freitag, 7. Dezember 2007 14:04

>With Out-of-order CPUs exact global metrics are pretty difficult.
>At which point of the instruction execution would you measure? 

All I want to do is order the execution chunks of different 
threads. Taking two snapshots somewhere near the beginning and 
the end of context switching should be good enough.

There's all the scheduler code in between (or at least the context
switch code). I don't think I need to worry about the exact point
during instruction execution.

I don't think it makes sense to try to correlate instructions
from different threads. It would be a wonderful feature to show
a synchronous trace across multiple threads. But that would require
you to measure time for each instruction. I don't think that's
feasible without reducing performance to single stepping;-)


>Anyways if RDTSC doesn't work the only global alternatives are 
>much slower
>(like southbridge timers) or very inaccurate (jiffies) 

Would jiffies be a metric that works across cpu's?
At the granularity that I want to measure, I guess that accuracy
is not important at all.


>I would just drop it since it'll likely always be somewhat misleading.

I guess I will (have to) drop it if it cannot be used for what I
intended.


thanks and regards,
markus.
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