Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:14:13 +0000
From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: David Newall <david@davidnewall.com>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Krzysztof Halasa <khc@pm.waw.pl>,
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       linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
       Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: RFC: outb 0x80 in inb_p, outb_p harmful on some modern AMD64
 with MCP51 laptops
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> I really *hate* the idea that access to non-present hardware is used to 
> generate a delay.  That sucks so badly.  It's worthy of a school-aged 
> hacker, not of a world-leading operating system.  It's so not 
> best-practice that it's worst-practice.

Actually its very good practice.

The LPC bus behaviour is absolutely and precisely defined. The timing of
the inb is defined in bus clocks which is perfect as the devices needing
delay are running at a fraction of busclock usually busclock/2.

Older processors did not have a high precision timer so you couldn't
calibrate loop based delays for 1uS.

Port 0x80 is used all over the place for this, not just in Linux but in a
large number of DOS programs and other PC OS's. It's even got specific
hardware support in many of the chipsets so that you can make the latched
last 0x80 write appear on the parallel port for debugging.

Alan
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