Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755448AbXLKQ7V (ORCPT ); Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:59:21 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751500AbXLKQ7N (ORCPT ); Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:59:13 -0500 Received: from mho-01-bos.mailhop.org ([63.208.196.178]:50461 "EHLO mho-01-bos.mailhop.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751246AbXLKQ7M (ORCPT ); Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:59:12 -0500 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 18.85.9.165 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX19OnUUD8lMqz8tF5ZQ74Cph Message-ID: <475EC1C0.2040000@reed.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:58:40 -0500 From: "David P. Reed" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.5) Gecko/20070727 Fedora/2.0.0.5-2.fc7 Thunderbird/2.0.0.5 Mnenhy/0.7.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rene Herman CC: Paul Rolland , David Newall , "H. Peter Anvin" , Krzysztof Halasa , Pavel Machek , Andi Kleen , Alan Cox , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Thomas Gleixner , Ingo Molnar , rol@witbe.net Subject: Re: RFC: outb 0x80 in inb_p, outb_p harmful on some modern AMD64 with MCP51 laptops References: <475879CD.9080006@reed.com> <20071207160439.71b7f46a@the-village.bc.nu> <20071209125458.GB4381@ucw.cz> <20071209165908.GA15910@one.firstfloor.org> <20071209212513.GC24284@elf.ucw.cz> <475CBDD7.5050602@keyaccess.nl> <475DE37F.20706@davidnewall.com> <475DE6F4.80702@zytor.com> <475DEB23.1000304@davidnewall.com> <20071211084059.3d03e11d@tux.DEF.witbe.net> <475E5D4B.8020101@keyaccess.nl> <475E7DC2.4060509@davidnewall.com> <475E8D91.20201@keyaccess.nl> <20071211143224.15900995@tux.DEF.witbe.net> <475E9B9B.2050709@keyaccess.nl> <475EACB8.7080608@keyaccess.nl> <20071211163706.2dc82275@tux.DEF.witbe.net> <475EB263.2050405@keyaccess.nl> In-Reply-To: <475EB263.2050405@keyaccess.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 3611 Lines: 99 As the person who started this thread, I'm still puzzled by two things: 1) is there anyone out there who wrote one of these drivers (most listed below, from a list of those I needed to patch to eliminate refs to _b calls) or arch specific code (also listed below), who might know why the _p macros are actually needed (for any platform)? Note that many of the devices are not on the ISA/LPC bus now, even if they were, and the vga has never needed a bus-level pause since the original IBM PC existed. (it did need a sync with retrace, but that's another story). 2) Why are opterons and so forth so slow on out's to x80 as the measurements show? That seems to me like there is a hidden bus timeout going on. I'm still trying to figure out what is happening on my machine which hangs when not in legacy mode (i.e. in ACPI mode) after a lot of out's to x80. Perhaps the bus timeout handling is the issue. I do remind all that 0x80 is a BIOS-specific standard, and is per BIOS - other ports have been used in the history of the IBM PC family by some vendors, and some machines have used it for DMA port mapping!! And Windows XP does NOT use it at all. Therefore it may not be supported by vendors, and may in fact be used for other purposes, since it can if the BIOS doesn't use it. I have a simple patch that fixes my primary concern - just change the CMOS_READ and CMOS_WRITE, 64-bit versions of I/O and bootcode vga accesses (first group below) to use the straight inb and outb code. I may submit it so that the many others who share my pain will be made happy - at least on modern _64 x86 machines those instructions don't need the _p feature. The rest of the drivers and code are just lurking disasters, which I hope can be resolved somehow by the community figuring out what the timing delays were put there for... ------------- arch/x86/boot/compressed/misc_64.c arch/x86/kernel/i8259_64.c arch/x86/pci/irq.c include/asm/floppy.h include/asm/io_64.h include/asm/mc146818rtc_64.h include/asm/vga.h include/video/vga.h drivers/video/console/vgacon.c drivers/video/vesafb.c drivers/video/vga16fb.c drivers/acpi/processor_idle.c drivers/bluetooth/bluecard_cs.c drivers/char/pc8736x_gpio.c drivers/char/rocket_int.h drivers/hwmon/abituguru.c drivers/hwmon/abituguru3.c drivers/hwmon/it87.c drivers/hwmon/lm78.c drivers/hwmon/pc87360.c drivers/hwmon/sis5595.c drivers/hwmon/smsc47b397.c drivers/hwmon/smsc47m1.c drivers/hwmon/via686a.c drivers/hwmon/vt8231.c drivers/hwmon/w83627ehf.c drivers/hwmon/w83627hf.c drivers/hwmon/w83781d.c drivers/i2c/busses/i2c-amd756.c drivers/i2c/busses/i2c-i801.c drivers/i2c/busses/i2c-nforce2.c drivers/i2c/busses/i2c-viapro.c drivers/input/misc/pcspkr.c drivers/isdn/hisax/elsa_ser.c drivers/isdn/hisax/s0box.c drivers/misc/sony-laptop.c drivers/net/8390.h drivers/net/de600.c drivers/net/de600.h drivers/net/irda/nsc-ircc.c drivers/net/irda/w83977af_ir.c drivers/net/pcmcia/axnet_cs.c drivers/net/pcmcia/pcnet_cs.c drivers/net/wireless/wl3501_cs.c drivers/scsi/megaraid.c drivers/scsi/megaraid.h drivers/scsi/ppa.h drivers/serial/8250.c drivers/video/console/vgacon.c drivers/video/vesafb.c drivers/video/vga16fb.c drivers/watchdog/pcwd_pci.c drivers/watchdog/w83627hf_wdt.c drivers/watchdog/w83697hf_wdt.c drivers/watchdog/w83877f_wdt.c drivers/watchdog/w83977f_wdt.c drivers/watchdog/wdt_pci.c -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/