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To: Zheyun Shen <szy0127@sjtu.edu.cn>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
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On 10.01.24 07:22, Zheyun Shen wrote:
> For now, SEV pins guest's memory to avoid swapping or
> moving ciphertext, but leading to the inhibition of
> Memory Ballooning.
> 
> In Memory Ballooning, only guest's free pages will be relocated
> in balloon inflation and deflation, so the difference of plaintext
> doesn't matter to guest.

A Linux hypervisor will always give you a fresh, zeroed page. I don't 
recall what the spec says, could be that that is a guarantee.

> 
> Memory Ballooning is a nice memory overcommitment technology can
> be used in CVM based on SEV and SEV-ES, so userspace tools can
> provide an option to allow SEV not to pin memory and enable
> Memory Ballooning. Guest kernel may not inhibit Balloon and
> should set shared memory for Balloon decrypted.

Two points:

1) Memory overcommit means that you promise to have more memory than you 
actually have.

To be able to use that in a *safe* way in the hypervisor, to fulfill 
that promise, you need some backup strategy, which is usually swap space 
in the hypervisor. Further one might apply other techniques (ram 
compression, memory deduplication) in the hypervisor to make that 
swapping unlikely to ever happen when overcommitting (because nobody 
wants to swap).

Assume you run a lot of VMs that mostly have private/encrypted memory 
(which is the default). Imagine you previously inflated the balloon on 
VM0, and that VM needs more memory (you promised it could have more!). 
You reach out to other VMs to inflate the balloon so you get memory 
back, but they cannot give up memory safely.

In that scenario (a) you cannot swap something out because all pages are 
pinned (b) memory compression cannot be applied because pages are pinned 
and (c) memory deduplication cannot be applied because pages are pinned.

Pinned memory is a resource that cannot be overcomitted.

So I am not convinced the use case you are targeting can be considered 
any way of sane memory overcommit. You should better call it resizing VM 
memory instead. Then, it's clearer that the hypervisor cannot promise to 
ever give you that memory when you are in need.


2) What about other features?

What if the hypervisor enabled free-page-reporting? Would that work 
(unlikely, I assunme). Don't we have to block that?

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb