Received: by 2002:a05:7412:e794:b0:fa:551:50a7 with SMTP id o20csp1804927rdd; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 09:41:15 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IG6wbs4KKaxF29S89J+6ZHYMu9rulIF7JqDv6y3f8aAzlISqySY8GyIrnjgzTNWRwAdmbAG X-Received: by 2002:a05:6122:c8f:b0:4b7:8e59:697d with SMTP id ba15-20020a0561220c8f00b004b78e59697dmr194099vkb.18.1704994874958; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 09:41:14 -0800 (PST) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1704994874; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=V0Z4ix95MOP+gIabBD3Q2GHviTZ03ebCftai130EUE1d9gB0K3/eH+fQgIhI87/DMM 0FR/fm6IfeGTv2UdgPTrErvY79CwzCnE/t4FGUqEux3U0KUBsKNXUEBekQ2fz0mrOzEm dYBWgVbkca1lMmySSr5gQRxDAAzLfFToBFYQl8nZC3y6in5kGBl4v3+nXL12N1RP6xjd N5txAX9KN8yMyN1yL74jWg2t80WylzCTLCDQS5LfUtl7oBntwjNFMe69uzyqg4XW7j2u zjrEQIEcj61l6zzG0+5F0WBZMFE0TKCzdqUMOY+CMytu7ir0fQDGy2QevBplPmUdIv6t xzqw== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:list-unsubscribe :list-subscribe:list-id:precedence:references:in-reply-to:message-id :subject:cc:to:from:date:dkim-signature; bh=hmPwEDi3s3hfTUrTm029MNs8O7OEWYK2+y3fPxIjrk4=; fh=U+RWAFF+p/PPm1QDsOq9RcPegXEQpX8dnGlCCRWQV3U=; b=iGv2/qt/Bg4XQjKwqxxfQulw4GVPPA7B/Bspjyk7HyYnVAPfgD0vHUI0rf4Xt4/1h3 KpReCXLcD7snREqnKpXcyTRJAAixJhcemNF1gI0RhN4VHPhT3n+UPDmywa6iuAmt8eXJ iYqA1HA/AC6VlLnlK3f8NB4kBV6iQmASuYSOnYGSW/nHP55JiFkdNGqj/jfZmTeCJG35 qnmuTL7hOcNF57SE4AOEkW5Be099UljhfG6vqF9wNFHgLf/gn6X+GPT1e3fw94q6XNZT o7QrG9GczXOrg0z62hbU6HGHLy6PKVj4kigk8bP7GM0FZS2EskvFir11qWVt0Rt5/9KP u0mQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@kernel.org header.s=k20201202 header.b=lRPCBwSd; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel+bounces-23945-linux.lists.archive=gmail.com@vger.kernel.org designates 147.75.199.223 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="linux-kernel+bounces-23945-linux.lists.archive=gmail.com@vger.kernel.org"; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from ny.mirrors.kernel.org (ny.mirrors.kernel.org. [147.75.199.223]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z23-20020a05620a261700b007832149b7casi1339515qko.563.2024.01.11.09.41.14 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 11 Jan 2024 09:41:14 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel+bounces-23945-linux.lists.archive=gmail.com@vger.kernel.org designates 147.75.199.223 as permitted sender) client-ip=147.75.199.223; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@kernel.org header.s=k20201202 header.b=lRPCBwSd; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel+bounces-23945-linux.lists.archive=gmail.com@vger.kernel.org designates 147.75.199.223 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="linux-kernel+bounces-23945-linux.lists.archive=gmail.com@vger.kernel.org"; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=kernel.org Received: from smtp.subspace.kernel.org (wormhole.subspace.kernel.org [52.25.139.140]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ny.mirrors.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B46DF1C23908 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 17:41:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0587F52F77; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 17:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="lRPCBwSd" Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 365A315CA; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 17:40:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5C44BC433F1; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 17:40:56 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1704994856; bh=MfBc6A27Fe00cEEVrSRCH6bH1WWkTjxEjCThscGoJCc=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=lRPCBwSd6iDOggTLBQary/6Uk1OBLjXs7racLu2wrILi+gPhXWZPklLZw1sx/R1e0 vQNbqM+KUWNYK+23flW+OCzIIJSiaYgBGPETotvHJSR6XvxCZMHvfxzZyyWenCWD7c z68+U38pHDCfW2Y1hYrc1gHskdX4usNtVNKCi12DxWLiWj1cYVf0NngyfnvNmbaigR VYiAI5BOAgGTa/JaQpuVaux+mStU1v043AitkzugrkoTjLmm66QoVakp4NLyCdMu2T 85UGZSMNsow3Q3Gtcw1sCtsl1gDpPCDs6SaGRrmdMHZ/S0AhQwjzFx189S49dnnmz/ yXnHjEoltPeEw== Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 09:40:55 -0800 From: Jakub Kicinski To: Bagas Sanjaya Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List , Linux Networking , "David S. Miller" , Eric Dumazet , Paolo Abeni Subject: Re: What to do on MIA maintainers? Message-ID: <20240111094055.3efa6157@kernel.org> In-Reply-To: References: Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 17:58:01 +0700 Bagas Sanjaya wrote: > Earlier in late last December, I sent a patch removing Karsten Keil > from MAINTAINERS due to inactivity [1], but Greg was > unsure about that [2]. So I privately tried to reach Karsten (asking for > confirmation), but until now he is still not responding to my outreach, hence > IMO he is MIA. > > What to do on this situation? Should he be removed from MAINTAINERS? Well. I'm not sure you should do anything about it.. In an ideal world with properly set up maintainer structure it should be up to the next level maintainer to decide when to do the cleanups. Random people initiating that sort of work can backfire in too many ways. IDK what a good analogy would be here, but you wouldn't for example come up to an employee in a store, when you think they aren't doing anything, and tell them to go stock shelves. If there are patches on the list that needs reviewing and the person is not reviewing them, or questions being asked / regressions being reported and they go unanswered - the upper level maintainer can act. But trust me, it's impossible for someone who is not an upper maintainer to judge the situation.