Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932261AbXLMUrm (ORCPT ); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:47:42 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1757520AbXLMUr3 (ORCPT ); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:47:29 -0500 Received: from smtp2.linux-foundation.org ([207.189.120.14]:44491 "EHLO smtp2.linux-foundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1757399AbXLMUr2 (ORCPT ); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:47:28 -0500 Message-ID: <476198F9.4020004@linux-foundation.org> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:41:29 -0800 From: Stephen Hemminger Organization: Linux Foundation User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Miller CC: jarkao2@gmail.com, auke-jan.h.kok@intel.com, gallatin@myri.com, joonwpark81@gmail.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jgarzik@pobox.com, jesse.brandeburg@intel.com Subject: Re: [RFC] net: napi fix References: <20071213134953.GA3806@ff.dom.local> <20071213.055013.83963139.davem@davemloft.net> <4761930C.3030504@gmail.com> <20071213.123727.224454625.davem@davemloft.net> In-Reply-To: <20071213.123727.224454625.davem@davemloft.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1761 Lines: 42 David Miller wrote: > From: Jarek Poplawski > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:16:12 +0100 > > >> I see in a nearby thread you would prefer to save some work to drivers >> (like this netif_running() check), but I think this all is at the cost >> of flexibility, and there will probably appear new problems, when a >> driver simply can't wait till the next poll (which btw. looks strange >> with all these hotplugging, usb and powersaving). >> > > As someone who has actually had to edit the NAPI support of _EVERY_ > single driver in the tree I can tell you that code duplication and > subtle semantic differences are a huge issue. > > And when you talk about driver flexibility, it's wise to mention that > this comes at the expense of flexibility in the core implmentation. > For example, if we export the list handling widget into the ->poll() > routines, god help the person who wants to change how the poll list is > managed in net_rx_action() :-/ > > So we don't want to export datastructure details like that to the > driver. > Also, most of the drivers should/could be doing the same thing. It is seems that driver writers just want to get "creative" and do things differently. The code is cleaner, safer, and less buggy if every device uses the interface in the same way. When I did the initial pass on this, I didn't see a single variation on NAPI usage that was better than the simple "get N packets and return" variation. But Dave did way more detailed grunt work on this. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/