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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 23:06:27 -0500
From: Legacy Fishtank <garzik@havoc.gtf.org>
To: Keith Owens <kaos@ocs.com.au>
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Subject: Re: State of the new config & build system
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On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 12:27:24PM +1100, Keith Owens wrote:
> Dependencies _do_ change when your .config changes, the list of files
> that are included varies.

1) "#ifdef CONFIG_FOO #include ..." is usually wrong and a bug.  But
that is a tangent and I digress.

2) Such changes can be expressed without regenerating all dependencies.


> Linus, you have a choice between a known broken build system and a
> clean and reliable system, which is slightly slower in mark 1.  Please
> add kbuild 2.5 to the kernel,

Your system is known broken because it is 100% slower.

My kernel builds work just fine now, your changes gain me nothing,
while COSTING me productivity.  I see no gains, only costs, with your
kbuild-2.5 system as it exists.

Keith the target audience is Linus and Alan and ME etc.  We are the
kernel hackers that perform kernel -development-.  Making end-user
builds easier is NOT a primary nor secondary nor tertiary goal here.
Make my life easier first.  Fuck Aunt Tillie.  Aunt Tillie can get
her kernels from a vendor.

	Jeff


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