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From: Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2024 14:56:11 -0800
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 1/4] fs/locks: Fix file lock cache accounting, again
To: Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>, Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org>, 
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>, 
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On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 2:20=E2=80=AFPM Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linu=
x.dev> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 01:02:19PM -0800, Shakeel Butt wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 12:21=E2=80=AFPM Linus Torvalds
> > <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 at 11:39, Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org> wr=
ote:
> > > >
> > > > That's a good point.  If the microbenchmark isn't likely to be even
> > > > remotely realistic, maybe we should just revert the revert until if=
/when
> > > > somebody shows a real world impact.
> > > >
> > > > Linus, any objections to that?
> > >
> > > We use SLAB_ACCOUNT for much more common allocations like queued
> > > signals, so I would tend to agree with Jeff that it's probably just
> > > some not very interesting microbenchmark that shows any file locking
> > > effects from SLAB_ALLOC, not any real use.
> > >
> > > That said, those benchmarks do matter. It's very easy to say "not
> > > relevant in the big picture" and then the end result is that
> > > everything is a bit of a pig.
> > >
> > > And the regression was absolutely *ENORMOUS*. We're not talking "a fe=
w
> > > percent". We're talking a 33% regression that caused the revert:
> > >
> > >    https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20210907150757.GE17617@xsang-OptiPlex=
-9020/
> > >
> > > I wish our SLAB_ACCOUNT wasn't such a pig. Rather than account every
> > > single allocation, it would be much nicer to account at a bigger
> > > granularity, possibly by having per-thread counters first before
> > > falling back to the obj_cgroup_charge. Whatever.
> > >
> > > It's kind of stupid to have a benchmark that just allocates and
> > > deallocates a file lock in quick succession spend lots of time
> > > incrementing and decrementing cgroup charges for that repeated
> > > alloc/free.
> > >
> > > However, that problem with SLAB_ACCOUNT is not the fault of file
> > > locking, but more of a slab issue.
> > >
> > > End result: I think we should bring in Vlastimil and whoever else is
> > > doing SLAB_ACCOUNT things, and have them look at that side.
> > >
> > > And then just enable SLAB_ACCOUNT for file locks. But very much look
> > > at silly costs in SLAB_ACCOUNT first, at least for trivial
> > > "alloc/free" patterns..
> > >
> > > Vlastimil? Who would be the best person to look at that SLAB_ACCOUNT
> > > thing? See commit 3754707bcc3e (Revert "memcg: enable accounting for
> > > file lock caches") for the history here.
> > >
> >
> > Roman last looked into optimizing this code path. I suspect
> > mod_objcg_state() to be more costly than obj_cgroup_charge(). I will
> > try to measure this path and see if I can improve it.
>
> It's roughly an equal split between mod_objcg_state() and obj_cgroup_char=
ge().
> And each is comparable (by order of magnitude) to the slab allocation cos=
t
> itself. On the free() path a significant cost comes simple from reading
> the objcg pointer (it's usually a cache miss).
>
> So I don't see how we can make it really cheap (say, less than 5% overhea=
d)
> without caching pre-accounted objects.

Maybe this is what we want. Now we are down to just SLUB, maybe such
caching of pre-accounted objects can be in SLUB layer and we can
decide to keep this caching per-kmem-cache opt-in or always on.

>
> I thought about merging of charge and stats handling paths, which _maybe_=
 can
> shave off another 20-30%, but there still will be a double-digit% account=
ing
> overhead.
>
> I'm curious to hear other ideas and suggestions.
>
> Thanks!