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But > pte_next_pfn() only allows advancing by 1 pfn; I need to advance by nr pfns: > > > static inline int folio_pte_batch(struct folio *folio, unsigned long addr, > pte_t *start_ptep, pte_t pte, int max_nr, bool *any_writable) > { > unsigned long folio_end_pfn = folio_pfn(folio) + folio_nr_pages(folio); > const pte_t *end_ptep = start_ptep + max_nr; > pte_t expected_pte = __pte_batch_clear_ignored(pte_next_pfn(pte)); > - pte_t *ptep = start_ptep + 1; > + pte_t *ptep = start_ptep; > + int vfn, nr, i; > bool writable; > > if (any_writable) > *any_writable = false; > > VM_WARN_ON_FOLIO(!pte_present(pte), folio); > > + vfn = addr >> PAGE_SIZE; > + nr = pte_size(pte); > + nr = ALIGN_DOWN(vfn + nr, nr) - vfn; > + ptep += nr; > + > while (ptep != end_ptep) { > + pte = ptep_get(ptep); > nr = pte_size(pte); > if (any_writable) > writable = !!pte_write(pte); > pte = __pte_batch_clear_ignored(pte); > > if (!pte_same(pte, expected_pte)) > break; > > /* > * Stop immediately once we reached the end of the folio. In > * corner cases the next PFN might fall into a different > * folio. > */ > - if (pte_pfn(pte) == folio_end_pfn) > + if (pte_pfn(pte) >= folio_end_pfn) > break; > > if (any_writable) > *any_writable |= writable; > > - expected_pte = pte_next_pfn(expected_pte); > - ptep++; > + for (i = 0; i < nr; i++) > + expected_pte = pte_next_pfn(expected_pte); > + ptep += nr; > } > > return ptep - start_ptep; > } > > > So I'm wondering if instead of enabling pte_next_pfn() for all the arches, > perhaps its actually better to expose pte_pgprot() for all the arches. Then we > can be much more flexible about generating ptes with pfn_pte(pfn, pgprot). > > What do you think? The pte_pgprot() stuff is just nasty IMHO. Likely it's best to simply convert pte_next_pfn() to something like pte_advance_pfns(). The we could just have #define pte_next_pfn(pte) pte_advance_pfns(pte, 1) That should be fairly easy to do on top (based on PFN_PTE_SHIFT). And only 3 archs (x86-64, arm64, and powerpc) need slight care to replace a hardcoded "1" by an integer we pass in. -- Cheers, David / dhildenb