Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756980AbXLQNIP (ORCPT ); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:08:15 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753386AbXLQNIF (ORCPT ); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:08:05 -0500 Received: from [212.12.190.227] ([212.12.190.227]:56980 "EHLO raad.intranet" rhost-flags-FAIL-FAIL-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752650AbXLQNIE (ORCPT ); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:08:04 -0500 From: Al Boldi To: "Indan Zupancic" , "Tetsuo Handa" Subject: Re: [patch 1/2] [RFC] Simple tamper-proof device filesystem. Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:05:31 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 Cc: david@davidnewall.com, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <47650A4C.4000708@davidnewall.com> <200712170040.lBH0e6sf099887@www262.sakura.ne.jp> <54137.81.207.0.53.1197891890.squirrel@secure.samage.net> In-Reply-To: <54137.81.207.0.53.1197891890.squirrel@secure.samage.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712171605.31084.a1426z@gawab.com> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1109 Lines: 31 Indan Zupancic wrote: > On Mon, December 17, 2007 01:40, Tetsuo Handa wrote: > > So, use of this filesystem alone is meaningless because > > attackers with root privileges can do what you are saying. > > But use of this filesystem with MAC is still valid because > > MAC can prevent attackers with root privileges from doing what you are > > saying. > > If MAC can avoid all that, then why can't it also avoid tampering with > /dev? What security does your filesystem add at all, if it's useless > without a MAC doing all the hard work? I think the answer is obvious: Tetsuo wants to add functionality that the MACs are missing. So, instead of adding this functionality per MAC, he proposes to add it as ground work, to be combined with any MAC. > I think you can better spend your time on read-only bind mounts. That would be too coarse. Thanks! -- Al -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/