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On 1/30/24 05:45, Reshetova, Elena wrote:
>> You're the Intel employee so you can find out about this with much
>> more assurance than me, but I understand the sentence above to be _way
>> more_ true for RDRAND than for RDSEED. If your informed opinion is,
>> "RDRAND failing can only be due to totally broken hardware"
> No, this is not the case per Intel SDM. I think we can live under a simple
> assumption that both of these instructions can fail not just due to broken
> HW, but also due to enough pressure put into the whole DRBG construction
> that supplies random numbers via RDRAND/RDSEED. 

I don't think the SDM is the right thing to look at for guidance here.

Despite the SDM allowing it, we (software) need RDRAND/RDSEED failures
to be exceedingly rare by design.  If they're not, we're going to get
our trusty torches and pitchforks and go after the folks who built the
broken hardware.

Repeat after me:

	Regular RDRAND/RDSEED failures only occur on broken hardware

If it's nice hardware that's gone bad, then we WARN() and try to make
the best of it.  If it turns out that WARN() was because of a broken
hardware _design_ then we go sharpen the pitchforks.

Anybody disagree?