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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2024 09:38:15 -0800
From: Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [f2fs-dev] [PATCH 3/3 v2] f2fs: kill zone-capacity support
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On 02/22, Matias Bj?rling wrote:
> On 21-02-2024 18:27, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
> 
> > > Doesn't this break practically all ZNS NVMe devices?
> > 
> > Yes, so here I'm in questioning who is really using w/ zone capacity. If there's
> > no user complaining, I'd like to deprecate this, since this adds code complexity
> > and unnecessary checks.
> > 
> 
> Hi Jaegeuk,
> 
> I like to make a couple of points to hopefully keep the support in a little
> while longer.
> 
> - NVMe-based zone devices continue to be developed with the pow2 zone size
> and zone size != zone cap features. There was some divergence in the
> first-gen drives. However, all the second-gen drives I know of are
> implemented with those features in mind.
> 
> - A very active community is doing work using f2fs, and many of those
> members are working with the ZN540s device (which exposes a pow2 zone size).
> 
> - For drives with a capacity of less than 16TiB, f2fs is an excellent file
> system to use and is really useful for various use cases. We're using the
> f2fs daily for a couple of our workloads.
> 
> Work is ongoing on btrfs and XFS to support zoned storage devices, but they
> have yet to be through the trenches as much as f2fs has been with its zone
> support. So it would be great to have f2fs continue to support the pow2 zone
> sizes, as it is a valuable feature for the currently used and second-gen
> drives that have been released or are soon becoming available.
> 
> If there is a performance concern with the feature re: ZUFS, maybe the pow2
> implementation could be slightly more computationally expensive, as the
> feature, anyway, typically is used on more beefy systems.

Thanks, Matias for the background. It seems to be fair for keeping this for a
while tho, IMO, non-pow2 could address both parties.

> 
> Regards,
> Matias