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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2024 12:48:12 +0100
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm, thp: display [never] for defrag when THP is set to
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To: Liu Song <liusong@linux.alibaba.com>,
 Yuanhe Shu <xiangzao@linux.alibaba.com>, akpm@linux-foundation.org
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On 26.02.24 12:22, Liu Song wrote:
> 
> 在 2024/2/26 16:54, David Hildenbrand 写道:
>> On 23.02.24 12:01, Liu Song wrote:
>>>
>>> 在 2024/2/22 20:14, David Hildenbrand 写道:
>>>> On 22.02.24 12:53, Yuanhe Shu wrote:
>>>>> When transparent_hugepage is set to never by cmdline or echo, defrag
>>>>> still show what it used to be and can be modified which makes user
>>>>> confusing whether defrag would take effect.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually if transparent_hugepage is set to never, defrag will not take
>>>>> effect. Just Display never and remain unchangeable to for defrag when
>>>>> transparent_hugepage is set to never.
>>>>>
>>>>> Suggested-by: Liu Song <liusong@linux.alibaba.com>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Yuanhe Shu <xiangzao@linux.alibaba.com>
>>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> No, I don't think we want such a dependency between both options.
>>>>
>>>> You might just end up breaking existing scripts (enable defrag before
>>>> enabling THP) for no good reason.
>>>>
>>> In certain situations where khugepaged_thread is NULL, it would be more
>>> reasonable for the value of
>>> /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/khugepaged/defrag to be 0. The patch
>>> should include a fix for this case.
>>
>> Why?
>>
>> We have a bunch of THP toggles. They reside in
>> "/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/", indicating that they are THP
>> specific.
>>
>> Some of them are only in effect if some other toggles are set.
>>
>> That is very common practice.
>>
>> If you think something could be confusing, maybe clarify the doc? I
>> don't immediately see why any code changes are required, really.
> 
> We should explain this in the documentation, but to be honest, many
> people don't read the documentation, and even after we explicitly
> disable THP with transparent_hugepage=never, khugepaged/defrag is still
> set to 1, and users come asking why it's still defragging. We can't
> expect all users to have technical expertise, or to diligently read
> through the documentation; it would obviously be best if we could avoid
> user confusion altogether.

Then tell your users if a feature is enabled, other toggles that affect 
that feature are ignored. Basic 1on1.

If my care engine is off but it's not in neutral, it's not suddenly 
driving. And most users understand that reasoning.

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb