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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/73] KVM: x86/PVM: Introduce a new hypervisor
From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>, Paolo Bonzini
 <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, 
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 10:33:24 +0100
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On Tue, 2024-02-27 at 09:27 -0800, Sean Christopherson wrote:
>=20
> The bulk of the pain with nested hardware virtualization lies in having t=
o emulate
> VMX/SVM, and shadow L1's TDP page tables.=C2=A0 Hyper-V's eVMCS takes som=
e of the sting
> off nVMX in particular, but eVMCS is still hobbled by its desire to be al=
most
> drop-in compatible with VMX.
>=20
> If we're willing to define a fully PV interface between L0 and L1 hypervi=
sors, I
> suspect we provide performance far, far better than nVMX/nSVM.=C2=A0 E.g.=
 if L0 provides
> a hypercall to map an L2=3D>L1 GPA, then L0 doesn't need to shadow L1 TDP=
, and L1
> doesn't even need to maintain hardware-defined page tables, it can use wh=
atever
> software-defined data structure best fits it needs.

I'd like to understand how, if at all, this intersects with the
requirements we have for pKVM on x86. For example, would pKVM run the
untrusted part of the kernel as a PVM guest using this model? Would the
PV interface of which you speak also map to the calls from the kernel
into the secure pKVM hypervisor... ?

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